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Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Callus Phallus, Feb 3, 2014.
Just looking for some help and clarification with this subject.
This is from personal experience only,
When I smoke weed I have a higher libido. It's easier and more fun to be honest. Problem is that weed does two things. First it alters the way you think, this might seem harmless but it's the same as alcohol. If you ever experienced the nights where you tell your friends to NOT let you do something and you beg them for it when your drunk? Weed kinda does the same. You will, or won't do things you are supposed to do. This is a risk that might come into conflict with the PMO free challenge. I "bend" the rules while on weed.
Secondly weed makes you passive. I won't call myself an addict, but I use more weed on a weekly basis than I should. The effects of weed are actually counteracting the positive effects of the nofapp. So for some time I felt like my life was still the same, only without fapps. When reducing weed usage to one evening a week I started to notice the differences slightly better.
So you need to make a choice really. I smoke weed to make myself less stressed, think less and be nicer to others during the tougher periods of time. I smoke weed because it makes me easily aroused and that counts as progress for me (where there was none a few months back). BUT the effects do come into conflict with the nofapp. My discipline is stronger than the urge to watch porn or fapp, but when I'm really baked I do have minor conflicts with myself. When I notice i'm bending the rules, I do something else. "Easy" as that.
My advice is to you is don't. Weed isn't good for you and combining it with the nofapp challenge makes it easy to relapse. I do it because i'm deliberately stupid and make this decision because I can at this moment in my life. I expect to start reducing weed usage when I start to work on school/work again
Yeah man, I agree Silver. IF you are gonna smoke, do it in social settings or at least make sure to not be alone when you're still high. I know there have been times when I'm high and CAN'T WAIT to get to my computer because I know it's going to be one helluva "session"; this includes prolonging the event and an even higher explosion of dopamine.
I agree with the above, only smoke if its a sociail situation. I mean even if you do manage to control NoFap while smoking weed, part of NoFap is getting away from the life style of finding ways to enjoy laying around and being unproductive. If im smoking weed by my self its simple, fap, video games, fap again.
Even if your one of those people who are productive on weed, it gets rid of everything NoFap brings like being more alert and straight edge. Save it for the occasional, social time with friends or even a hot chick. If your not quitting sex
Honestly it sounds very much to me like you might be exchanging one crutch for another there mate? And I don't care what anyone says about whether or not marijuana is addictive or not because even if it isn't then its the ritual/anticipation etc that hooks you in the end (been there and would NEVER want to go back!) Why not consider meditation or something genuinely beneficial? Or maybe even look at this http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?4054-Getting-Started-with-Sexual-Energy-Transmutation Just suggestions
Thanks for the replies guys they all helped very much. I do want to get to the point where it's only social events, and I am the type of smoker who is productive while high (I compose music). I understand what you mean by it making you feel at a stand still with no fapping.
As a musician (with 30 yrs experience) myself I understand what you mean by ''productive while high' but I also understand how it can become a crutch and the first time I ever came across the following quote it was in relation to substance (including alcohol) use/abuse and it rings truer than ever now having not touched anything at all for six years...
“The lie tastes sweet at the beginning, but bitter at the end. The truth tastes bitter at the beginning, but sweet at the end." ~Buddha
Also have a good look at these threads (especially the stuff about Jeff Tweedy) which might interest you?
Thanks for that! ^
I'm starting to notice that my memory is much better when I'm not stoned
and memory is important in music, as I'm sure you know ahaha.
I noticed my time signature changes have gotten a
little sloppier cause I'm a little bit less confident since realizing I
have a problem. I can't even focus on the shit I love right now. I'm so in my head
and consumed by it. I just catch myself sitting there thinking of doing shit
to girls and that compulsion comes back to fap. I catch myself just touching my dick
and have to stop myself. I think the weed does make it harder..
This is going to be a very interesting journey.
Just to paraphrase an old zen saying...
"Before 'truth', mountains are mountains and waters are waters.
After a first glimpse into 'truth', mountains are no longer mountains and waters are no longer waters.
After realising 'truth', mountains are once again mountains, and waters are once again waters"
...and I guess we all have to pass through that 'middle' bit as we move beyond illusions etc and dis-illusionment is part of that process.
I for one became a consistently better musician 'after' I stopped smoking etc.
how do you honestly feel on day 72 mood and musically?
Ive been questioning two prevailing things in my life lately:
Looking at porn and fapping
I'm gonna stop the fapping first. Right now it's a total NoFap for 30 days. Then maybe fapping but no porn ever!
I want to see what that's like. I'm also cutting back on weed, but not looking at it as a problem yet. It's free and clear so far, but under close scrutiny.
Honestly I feel great and full of ideas but I have been really into sexual/creative energy transmutation etc http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?4054-Getting-Started-with-Sexual-Energy-Transmutation
Musically, to be honest, and this is a 100% personal thing, I hardly play now which was something that was happening to me anyway as my priorities in life have been changing. I actually gave all my guitars, effects, amp to my 17 year old son a couple of weeks ago as he is really into playing and he didn't have much stuff and it just wasn't getting touched here anymore. But like I said that's nothing to do with NoFap unless NoFap has helped me to channel my creative energies into things that are now more appropriate for me etc???
So your priorities definitely shifted with this NoFap experience. I will look out for similar things in my reboot. Thanks!
Yes but please bear in mind that I am 46 and on my first post ever here I added this quote as it summed up how I was feeling upon 'arrival'...
“Thoroughly unprepared, we take the step into the afternoon of life. Worse still, we take this step with the false presupposition that our truths and our ideals will serve us as hitherto. But we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the program of life’s morning, for what was great in the morning will be little at evening and what in the morning was true, at evening will have become a lie.”
― C.G. Jung
...but what has been true for me may or may not be true for anyone else and I always try bear that in mind whilst sharing my 'truth' etc.
I hope that helps? All the best
Have to agree with Jilted, way too much self-righteous BS from stoners these days, though they're reacting to a ton of stigma so their positions are naturally exaggerated. Weed did help to grow how I used chord progressions and richer, more reverbed textures. After a while though I definitely became psychologically dependent, unmotivated, unproductive. I can still smoke once in a while (like once a month), because since quitting PMO, letting go of weed is relatively easy now.
The one thing it can hurt is that I noticed I would be much more likely to have a wet dream after a heavy night of drinking and/or smoking, so if you don't want the excess urges which come with those dreams I recommend staying away.
Hmm interesting and good to read others opinions about this because I am a regular weed smoker aswell but haven't really thought about what effects it could have on my nofap, strangely enough I had wondered what effects alcohol has but hadn't even thought about putting weed into the same category for whatever reason
I noticed I've been getting erections at night but in the morning and flatlining in the day.
Is this normal and could be exaggerated by the weed. I will be cutting back to once a month shortly just
to live life through a new perspective. Glad to hear it's relatively easy to quit after quitting PMO.
Thanks for the help guys.
wow! this is exactly my situation! thanks for the guy that started it! That's it, no more weed for me! Its like the penny has just dropped. )
Let me know how it goes. I still haven't quit, but still haven't fapped.
Ok will will keep you posted. Crazy it all makes sense now, i do isolate myself when im high, and its in the isolation when i do my fapping! if i wasn't high, id probably go to bed at a respectable time! Thanks Again.