Women Who Use Sexuality to Sell, Influence, and Gain Power

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  1. jcl1990

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    I’m not blaming women. Just was writing some of my thoughts and saying my perspective.

    also, there are a lot of women out there who have really kinky, dark sexual fantasies. I’ve dated a girl who said she enjoyed being “degraded” and had fantasies of being kidnapped, tied up, and murdered.

    I think we as men underestimate the depravity of women. They are just as twisted as us guys are when it comes to sex.

    the female pornstars are just capitalizing on their sexual fantasies by doing porn. The guys who own the porn companies and the women who work for them are one and the same.

    Women in porn aren’t stupid - they are making money and acting out their deepest sexual fantasies at the same time.
     
  2. Bman44

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    Fine, I have no problem with this. But let’s correct it by having empathy for both sides rather than demonising women for our failings.
     
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  3. jcl1990

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    Yea I completely agree.

    the radical feminists support porn and sex work because they know it weakens men. And if men are weaker, it’s more easy for the radical feminists to take advantage of guys.

    It’s like a 1-2 punch combo in boxing. Weaken men through sex and then take their money
     
  4. Bman44

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    Really… come on, this is a description of a conspiracy. They don’t support porn because it weakens men. For the most part they explicitly oppose porn. Making it us vs them is the problem here.
     
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  5. jcl1990

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    for sure, I completely agree with you that it’s my own fault. Even especially because I first came across religion at age 20 and I KNEW I shouldn’t PMO but I did it anyways.

    its 100% my fault. I was just saying how harsh the reality is of this stuff, — too much ejaculation and too many porn images —- an absolute path to destruction of the body and mind
     
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  6. jcl1990

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    Yea you are right here. There is no conspiracy. I guess I was more thinking it’s a conspiracy of the “dark side” of the spiritual realm, if such a thing exists.
     
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  7. jcl1990

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    these were some really good points,
    thank you.

    I will re read your response a few more times over the next couple days.

    hope you have a good day and thanks for the help
     
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  8. Meshuga

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    A while ago I compared porn to a succubus. I want to be clear though, it's not the women that are succubi, it's porn, the institution, the idea, that destroys, and it destroys the female bodies and souls it uses to attract men just as much as it destroys the men. It only does it in a different way. Furthermore, I'm not as upset at evil porn for existing and luring myself and others into it's clutches, so much as I'm upset at myself for falling into such an obvious trap. But then, I was young. No sense accusing my past self. Shame and guilt are powerful, perverse emotions. They don't help you quit porn, or do anything good with your life, at all.

    Women dress and behave provocatively because it's rewarding, plain and simple. That's human/animal behavior in a nutshell. We do things that are rewarding, we don't do things that aren't. There's cost to dressing and acting sexually, there's some minimal risk as well, which is why many women don't. However, if you're a young man you're probably surrounded by young women, at school, at work, whatever, it's just your stage of life. Young women have a natural advantage in being attractive, they have cultural encouragement, there's little cost and little risk. It's easy. It's so easy, in fact, a lot of women do it without even thinking about the message they are putting out there. They aren't evil, they're ignorant, but it's not your duty to educate them or police how they dress or act. It's your duty to exist and adjust to the world you live in, not adjust the world to your liking. It's easier to adjust yourself, anyway. When you try to change the way all of culture does something, you're tricking yourself into thinking you're doing something positive, but you aren't going to be effective. You might as well try to change the direction of the wind by pissing into it.

    If you want positive change in your own life, simply stop rewarding provocative behavior. Stop consuming content with provocative displays. Stop looking at provocatively dressed women. Don't punish them, just be aware of your biological system's vulnerabilities, and do what you can to keep it from being hacked. If you do that, you'll find far more success and satisfaction than if you pass judgment and blame on women.
     
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    Spot on!!!
    +1
     
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    I used to have an escort problem, and it was the higher end classy ones, even ones with their own websites and booking forms etc, so I'm sure you can imagine their hourly rate.

    You're not wrong to think that way, I've seen first hand how these women use their bodies and sexuality to exploit lonely men out of thousands of dollars.

    Its just a cold hard and ugly business model built on manipulation and addiction.

    I kind of resent escorts now, because its all an act, all a show. They don't care about you or your feelings even though they might act like they do. End of the day its all about taking advantage of men and milking as much money from you as they can, like parasites.

    Also these same women are praised by other women and they are considered to be "strong and independent and successful" meanwhile they are just contributing to a huge problem in many mens lives. The double standards are pretty big.
     
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    That's true, but I also think there have been many women who get into porn and actually hate it, there have been many female porn stars who have committed suicide for example. But ya I think most actually love it.
     
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  12. Meshuga

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  13. modernstore99

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    It's totally true that women sue their sexuality to get things from men and society in general. I understand being upset that someone has an advantage over you in some situations. Women have sexual capital, men want it, so the women use their capital to manipulate men and society in general for personal gain. But men have advantages that women don't have and use them all the time!

    Men are typically bigger and stronger than women. There's more men in construction jobs. Is that unfair? I wouldn't say so.

    However, you can find plenty of examples of men using their advantages in unfair ways. For example, a husband and wife are arguing about a domestic issue. To get the wife to agree with him, the man physically intimidates or assaults the woman. That is universally recognized as totally not ok. He's using his advantage to threaten her and take away her choices.

    But if a flirtatious/sexy woman is trying to use her sexuality to convince you of something or extract something from you, you have the choice to deny her! You don't have to give in! You could say guys are tricked into their choice, but they're definitely not threatened or coerced. When men give in to the requests of sexually attractive woman, the women get the benefit of whatever resource they were after, and the men get the benefit of that female's attention. Is this a fair trade? Obviously not. But there is never a threat, so it's hard to object.

    Btw this whole thing is not an attack or accusation on you. Just the argument that women using their sexuality to manipulate others is not the most foolproof idea
     
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  14. modernstore99

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    I think you might see a lot of empathy from the media and left-leaning organizations, but when you talk with real people in the real world, it doesn't usually match up. Women might say they support women who do that, but probably don't do that themselves, and probably wouldn't be super happy being friends with women they like.

    At the end of the day, their actions are completely independent of you. You can make the choice to not engage with them or encourage their business practices.

    If you don't like Nike because they use functional slaves to make their products, you don't have to buy their shit.

    If you don't like OnlyFans actors because you think selling their sexual bodies for money is immoral, don't buy their shit!

    They may be screwing over other men, but men willingly purchase their products. There is no coercion or threat. All you can do is encourage other men to see how they're wasting their time and should not buy OnlyFans crap. If men don't then it actually raises your social capital as a man who is in control of his own desires! Women love that shit!
     
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  15. jcl1990

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    for sure, definitely true. When I wrote this post I was mad at myself for giving into my lustful desires so much in the past. Well, yep I guess some life lessons need to be learned the hard way.

    and I know you aren’t arguing or anything like that. I appreciate your opinion, it helps me to see more than just the thoughts in my own mind
     
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  16. modernstore99

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    Yup great convo bro. Don't beat yourself up too much about stuff in the past, happens to all of us. You'll live a much happier life with this knowledge and wisdom. Women who see how you resist the manipulations of other women through their beauty will be all over you.
     
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  17. Bman44

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    This is a very left leaning argument… just saying
     
  18. modernstore99

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    Thank you for your observation. Not sure why it is relevant but thank you.

    Something I get confused a lot by is why people want to control this type of behavior. What is the benefit of doing so? Not being sarcastic please explain to me because I do not understand.

    A few I can think of are:

    1. It's not fair for women to take advantage of men sexually.
      • They're not really taking advantage of men. There is a clear benefit for both parties that does not fall under a racketeering scheme
      • Men don't have to buy their stuff
      • Men use their advantages and it's not considered unfair (strength and decision-making for example). No one complains that women are the only caregivers because they're typically better with kids either, it's just the sexual aspect that is upsetting
    2. Men don't want to date or be in relationships with women who do porn, professional or amateur.
      • That's fine. Don't date or marry them. Very simple. Most women do not use OnlyFans.
      • "What if all the women who want to date me do porn?". There plenty of women who don't do porn. You can find them.
      • "No there aren't!". At this point you either aren't trying hard enough or you're just an unattractive partner, and the responsibility for changing both of those lies solely with you.
    3. Allowing women to do this is leading to societal decline.
      • I agree with this one *partially*. Thousands, possibly millions of women making porn of themselves for profit, with some of them doing extremely well, is not a sign of the healthiest society. However, it is more of an effect of some of the failings of our modern technological democracy. On the economic side, Western countries are seeing significant increases in costs of living yet very slow wage growth; many women who were told going to college would help them be financially independent are seeing themselves graduate with massive amounts of debt, little human capital (besides their sexual capital ofc), and little experience and confidence in interpersonal relationships. On the social side, we are seeing increases in loneliness and envy, and social media is absolutely wrecking people's psyches. On one hand, the majority of users who consume all the content are getting literally addicted on novelty and constant supply, while on the other side the minority of people who produce the majority of content are getting addicted to the attention, fame, and influence they begin to wield. It's not a big leap of logic or morality to go from taking lingerie pics everyday on Instagram for thousands of followers (for tons of ad revenue FYI) to doing the same thing on OnlyFans with a little more nudity and a little more direct transactions. If anything, I could get on board with educating people on the mental health harms of either consuming or creating social media content, but I am in no way in favor of regulating or criminalizing the industry.
      • Also, sometimes the ball of society is just rolling one way, you can't do anything to stop it, and you just have to deal with the results. Complain on the internet all you want, but there's no change happening from that.
     
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  20. Meshuga

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    @modernstore99 your comments are all based, no argument. If I can add my low quality comments and expose my own bias though
    What's the difference again? The reporters, anchors, producers at the elite media outlets, people who get to choose what gets on the news and how it's reported and thus, what 90% of the populace consume, all graduate from a handful of universities. They're all taught by the same professors, and those professors range from center-left to frothing-at-the-mouth Marxist.

    While the average man and/or woman may not be in support of the hyper-sexualization of women, the branches of feminism that do support it as "empowering" own the media. That media wields a massively disproportionate piece of influence, not necessarily over what people think, but what people think other people think. Consequently, it's easy to fall into this distorted view that women in general want to "reclaim" their sexuality and use as a weapon against men. Now, for all the reasons you brilliantly articulate, that doesn't matter. Men have a choice to engage and reward that behavior, or not. This dynamic does seem to feed hostility between heterosexual men and women, though.
     
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