Masterbation okay ?

You know, Clumsy, I get where you're coming from, but I can't help feeling like you're not digging deep enough. You claim that masturbation and pornography are evil, immoral, and against natural law. But what is natural law, and how does it apply to humans? Moreover, is not PMO a symptom rather than a root cause? The farther beneath the surface you dig, the more you're going to uncover. Though chopping at the head of this hydra might inflict some damage, it is but a single head that we're severing. Why are we fighting the beast? Where does its evil originate? Cut to the heart: the root of it all is?

I've got my perspective on it, but I'm going to open the floor to you on this first.

 

The significance this horrible evil (masturbation) is beyond anything else. You can't compare it to a broken relationship, or normal anxiety one feels to fear or loss of a loved one. It twists your whole nature around.

It's in many cases the root cause, in my case, it's a root cause but also a symptom. I was placed at an orphanage (because my father masturbated to porn) and I tried to escape my childhood by masturbating and using alcohol. But it only worsened my problems. In many cases however, it's the root, and the symptom.

IT'S EVIL.

 

Alright, alright, I get it. It's evil. I'm not even saying that I disagree with you. However, this circular nonsense about it being both symptom and root. When you masturbate, it is practically impossible to do so without a mental fantasy of some sort. If you dig into it, masturbation is just the physical manifestation of what's already going on in your heart. But what's going on in the heart? If you look deeper than just the sinful act, you start to recognize some important truths.

Truths about purity, truths about women, truths about sexuality, truths about brokenness, truths about the source of your pain.

Let's start with basic. We've defined masturbation, by your own definition, as evil. In caps, mind you. What is evil? What makes it evil? What establishes the standard for theoretical evil versus theoretical good? And the feeling you get - the shame and guilt from it - what are they wrapped around? What rationale or reason do you have for feeling that guilt and shame? And don't cop out on yourself by saying, "Just because it's wrong." Dig deeper.

We'll get somewhere, here.

 

Clumsy, just because you had a traumatic and life changing experience with M doesn't mean everybody else is going to be so deeply affected by it. I think you need to take a deep breath, and relax. M IS NOT going to kill you. Yes it may manifest into something greater and begin to cause issues, but please, don't impose your self-assertive beliefs on everyone like it's the end of the world. Everyone is different, and everyone has to figure things out for themselves. Nobody really responds well to forceful postings, take it easy. But I understand why you feel so strongly about this issue.

 

They both have the potential to become out of control. For me, I could go a week without porn, but as soon as I would tell myself I would only masturbate, I would end up binging on both M and P. It's playing with fire.

The tougher and more hardcore route is no masturbation hard mode like I have done myself for my now entire 200+ days. Hard work really pays off, because I have noticed many benefits.

1. Girls find me more attractive

2. More Testosterone for working out

3. I definitely have more courage now

Remember, masturbating is a easy way out.

Take advice from a 200+ day Fapstronaut... not masturbating is a very good choice.

Remember to take your cold showers

~Squeaky Soul

 

Honestly, I can't tell you that it's going to be easy, or that there aren't times you might well crash and burn. However, I encourage you to convince yourself now that PMO is not the lifestyle you want. Fight hard to maintain hold on your purity, because when the time comes that you want to give it to the woman of your dreams... You'll regret not having protected it when you had the chance.