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No censorship discussion of 'Flat Earth theory'

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Septimus, Feb 8, 2018.

  1. Septimus

    Septimus Fapstronaut

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    I think the claim that the earth is flat is absurd. But for whatever reason, some folks here seem to take it seriously. I attempted to challenge this theory in a nearby thread, but was told that challenges were unwelcome. I'm not "open," is what I was told.

    Well, that's about 99.99% correct. I simply cannot think of the sort of proof it would take to overturn the common knowledge that the earth is round. But I'm willing to allow that there maybe could be such proof.

    At any rate, I don't like censorship, so I created this thread for anyone who wants to argue the point without being told to hush. I think a credible theory can withstand all questions and challenges; it need not censor or ignore them.

    Those who advocate their flat-earth theory are welcome to state their case. But you won't be protected from challenges and questions.

    Have at it!
     
  2. Septimus

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    I'll repeat here the experiment I proposed in another thread, but was ignored by the advocate of "flat earth science":

    On a globe, longitude lines all begin at one point, the north pole; and this is the same on a flat-earth model. The lines get wider as you move toward the equator; but with a globe, they begin to converge again at the south pole. Clear?

    But if the earth is flat, then these lines will never converge; they simply get wider, and wider. Such that, by the time the longitude lines reach the maximum extent of the (flat) earth, they are extremely spread apart.

    Therefore, if the earth is flat, then east-west distances on earth are not what anyone thinks they are. They begin to be wrong almost immediately as you travel south from the pole, and they get more and more distorted all the way along.

    Want to see this? Take an orange. Treat the navel (or the place where the stem was) as the north pole. Locate the equator. Take a marker, and just "north" of the equator, place several dots, all around the circumference of the orange.

    Now, slice the orange in half along the equator. This gives you the "northern hemisphere." Now clean out the orange flesh inside the hemisphere, being careful not to tear the rind.

    What you will have left is an empty half-sphere, more or less; the dots representing locations on the earth. Are you still with me?

    Now, take a very sharp knife, and very carefully, make cuts in this "hemisphere," such that you will be able to lay it completely flat. You want to make the cuts along what would be longitudinal lines, but keep the whole thing intact. It's OK if it's not perfectly flat; it's more important to keep it intact. Then, of course, do lay it flat. Notice how spread out those dots are; and remember, this is only the northern hemisphere. The southern hemisphere would show far more distortion. (But cutting the orange to illustrate this would be rather hard.)

    Here's the point:

    Every day, people fly, drive, ride buses and trains, and even bicycle and walk, along east-west routes. Their calculations of distance and time are predicated on the earth we all live on, being a globe. If they are wrong, then they shouldn't arrive when they do. A truck driver traveling from Jacksonville, Florida to San Diego should arrive many hours, if not days, later -- on a flat earth -- then he would on a globe. The distortion grows even worse in the southern hemisphere.

    All manner of airplane flights are scheduled and measured, traveling along these east-west routes. It would be an easy matter to demonstrate the flatness, or roundness, of the earth, by a close examination of the times and distances recorded by airplanes, trains, trucks and cars. If the earth is flat, it would take dramatically longer to travel from, say, longitude 90 degrees east to 105 degrees east at the 30th parallel south, than along the comparable route along the 30th parallel north. In fact, it would be very easy to calculate what the distance and time ought to be.

    All this would be very easy to demonstrate, very easy to verify. In short, the whole world travels according to timetables of a round earth. If the earth is actually flat, the whole system shouldn't work, not even for an hour.

    Flat-earthers, how do you answer?
     
  3. Gotham Outlaw

    Gotham Outlaw Fapstronaut

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    BAHAHAHA! That's hilarious.

    A lunar eclipse also shows that the Earth is round. For anyone unfamiliar the earyhpasses between the sun and the moon and it casts a shadow on the moons surface. If you look you can see a slight curvature. If earth Earth was flat some people would see a straight line projected on the moon (edge of a disc). Since there have been zero cases of this recorded a spherical shape is the only logical choice between the two.
     
  4. You guys are silly...there is so much proof for flat Earth and it's easy to test this proof...the sphere Earth is all this complicated math and tests only 'scientists' can observe and they're the ones making up the lies. Best experiment...some guy held a ruler to the horizon and the horizon was flat like the ruler...if the Earth was round like the dangity darn so-called science folks say...it'd be more like a 6ft tall arc spanning 3 miles...and that would be super easy to see with the naked eye. Durr
     
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  5. Also another guy took his phone up in an airplane and once the plane was at altitude he used the level app to show the earth was flat... If it wasn't the level was spose to be changing angles or something.
     
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  6. kayesem

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    Insert trolls here...
     
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  7. I assume that's directed towards my last posts...just trying to drum up some activity from the flatearth group...see if they'd break down any of their best theories for us
     
  8. kayesem

    kayesem Fapstronaut

    @Progress628 yeh, nah, just randomly pitching prospective future thread titles.

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  9. I don't think every single thing needs to be debated, but to me honestly such a heavy claim like the Earth is flat needs to be. And if they're not willing to be tested or tried then they've already lost what they "stand" for, because that tells me they can't come up with reasonable evidence or show any hint of truth to what they say.

    I mean come on, really, being called a troll because you want to dig deeper and find the whole truth is just stupid. lol
     
  10. IggyIshness

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    Thats not the only reason. Its not that the object is round, but the shadow it casts is red, due to refraction from light going around earth. There is absolutely no way to refute this - the solar system model created by "lier" scientists who has put enormous efforts into research to evolve the human race, is clearly correct. Of course the devolved subhumans named flatbrainers want to bring us down with them. Go up to a scientist and tell him what you are saying XD You will realize how arrogant you are.
     
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  11. I will not be responding to specific claims and arguments for a couple of reasons

    - Textwalls of convoluted reasoning are a waste of time to debunk because the same argument can be made more simply and with less waffle

    - Free reign is being given to glober skills and trolls who don’t have an interest in knowing truth but heckling those who oppose their spinning ball cosmology

    - The same arguments are being put forward as in other threads, whilst irrefutable proofs of flat earth (flat horizons, accelerometers) are being ignored

    - The claim the earth is a spinning ball is being held as a legitimate and superior claim, even though your senses tell you the earth is flat and stationary

    - the same nonsense about how lunar eclipses prove the ball earth is being flung about, even though lights in the sky do not prove anything about the shape of the earth

    - “scientists say” is an appeal to authority that is undermined by more verifiable evidence from publicly accountable experiments like FEcore

    - there is no point trying to reason with someone who is incapable of doubting their childhood programming

    The claim the earth is a spinning ball in infinite vacuum is absolutely ridiculous and laughable. Where is the evidence for such a thing? Discounting made for TV “science” like the imaginary space station and other such disneyworld nonsense, what proof do you have the earth is a massive moving ball?
     
  12. Brah42

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    Can you explain to me what is gravity ?
     
  13. Septimus

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    I'm still waiting for you or any other flat earther to respond to my opening argument, regarding the shift in longitudes. I posted it on the other thread, no response. I posted it here, still no response.

    Let's deal with my question first. The orange -- i.e., the ball -- is in your court.
     
  14. Septimus

    Septimus Fapstronaut

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    If you're not going to respond to me, why should I respond to you?
     
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  15. I can agree that FEers are often heckled in these forums and others and the funny thing is that by doing this to either side of a debate often makes that party more confident in their hypothesis right or wrong.

    For a long time people believed the Earth was flat and yes that's a reasonable assumption with limited data...but when people started to really travel further the math didn't add up.
    The spherical earth theory is based on over 2000 years of observation and study. It's a pretty good working theory to this point and much of the proofs of flat Earth science can also exist in a spherical earth hypothesis. Unfortunately, a lot of the claims and models by the flat Earth science haven't been able to explain many observable pheonomena in this world.

    Now coming from a different level, I can understand some conspiracy theories claiming certain governments are lying to their people...even I can question the validity of moon landing, due to the political culture at the time. However, to say that the government s around the world have collaborated to create this spherical earth conspiracy (which predates all the modern governments) is a bit of a stretch.

    I am interested to look into the FECore experiments however a quick look at their site and YouTube search didn't produce any completed studies. A lot of what they want to do seems to be pending funding and is written up as a sales pitch.

    Regarding the accelerometer data and flat horizon data you mentioned, can you send me what you are referring to so I/other forum members can review.
     
  16. Gravity as I understand it, is the natural attraction of two bodies of mass at a specific distance. Not magnetism as that's a different force entirely.
     
  17. Brah42

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    Ok can you give me an exemple of gravity's work
     
  18. Wrong. It's based on a handful of specific individuals, Pythagoras, Eratosthenes, Copernicus, Newton, a grab bag of atheistic / freemasonic rationalists and materialists. It is absolutely not based on observation and study. It is based on asserting that a mathematical model is reality.

    Your statement is a mistaken assumption.


    Wrong. It is not a working theory.

    1) It still cannot be shown how the magic of "gravity" can be shown to defeat a vacuum, when to create a vacuum here on earth even close to the theoretical vacuum of "space" takes intense labour, effort and power, so much so that NASA still haven't even managed to come close.

    2) It still cannot be shown how and why gravity functions (probably because gravity is not a function of mass - such a thing is absurd). Gravity researchers are chasing a ghost.

    The LIEGO detector that was meant to "detect gravitational waves" detected no such things until they were in danger of having their funding cut. After that, they miraculously "discovered" alleged "proof" of "gravitational waves" right before the plug was about to be pulled on their careers.

    3) It cannot be shown, and has not ever been shown, how the earth can simultaneously revolve around the sun and not produce elliptical star trails.

    The model for the heliocentric, ball earth model of the universe simply does not exist. No-one in the history of astronomy or astrophysics has made a working, functional, scale model of the heliocentric ball earth model that accounts for seeing the same star positions millenia after millenia.

    Wrong. Your inability to research:

    > Water being flat and level
    > Coriolis effect being produced by the movement of the sun over the flat, stationary earth
    > Sun positions being apparent due to refractions through the atmosplane on our magnetic, flat, stationary earth
    > Southern stars being refractions of the Northern stars in the electromagnetic firmanent

    And so on does NOT mean these explanations do not exist.

    It simply means you are too lazy too research them and too lazy to question your assumptions.


    "Wow, they wouldn't lie about that. That lie is too big!! They couldn't lie about it!! The lie is too big!!"

    You don't want to know about the Big Lie. It's too big.

    The idea you have been lied to about the shape of the earth threatens your presuppositions about how Authority = Good, Knowledgeable and "Humanity" = Advanced, Clever.

    You presuppose that Authority, Education = Good, Knowledgeable, Clever, and then believe in the spinning ball earth based on that. In reality, you have not a single experience that supports the crazy idea you are spinning faster than the speed of sound, but you defend this ridiculous, farcical, laugh-out-loud, people-who-believe-this-belong-in-mental-institutions nonsense because you don't want to get go of the idea that Authority, Education = Good, Knowledgeable, Clever.

    You are not spinning faster than the speed of sound, such an idea is absolutely deranged and people who peddle this nonsense are just zombified by television.

    Well that's great that you failed to watch even a 10 minute video explaining an already-performed laser test over 23 KM that disproves the supposed curvature of the earth.

    Multiple flat earthers, all acting independently, have travelled across long flight routes with accelerometers and proven that there is no curvature.

    Acclerometers do not work because of gravity magic or density/buoyancy on the flat or ball earth. They detect motion, and so before use they have to be calibrated on a flat, stationary surface (it would be impossible to calibrate an accelerometer on the spinning ball earth, by the way). Once calibrated, the motion the accelerometer can detect would be easily enough to detect the curvature of the earth on, say, a transatlantic flight. The most diligent flat earth researchers have shown that this curvature would be well within the manufacturers specifications of the accelerometer to detect.

    Similarly, gyroscopes, and modern light based gyroscopes, all disprove the claim the earth is "spinning" on an axis to create day and night.

    All of these experiments have been conducted many times independently in a publicly verifiable way with the full, end to end recordings being put on youtube. But that isn't "real science" because these people did not go to the brainwash camps (sorry, Universities).

    There is all the evidence in the public domain for the thinking man to prove beyond all doubt, that the earth is flat. The earth is absolutely and categorically flat. It is simply impossible for the spinning-rock-in-vacuum earth to exist. It defies all laws of physics.

    But most people are not thinkers, they are hoodwinked, bamboozled, symbol-minded sheep, which is why they worship and defend the spinning ball earth, a symbol of atheistic humanism they have been indoctrinated to believe.
     
  19. Brah42

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    Damn he just busted them one by one that was legitness
     
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  20. Septimus

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    ...And I continue to wonder why the flat-earthers cannot explain the problems of longitude that I keep bringing up.

    When someone flies from Johannesburg, South Africa to Sydney, Australia, for example: the time is going to be vastly longer if the earth is flat, versus the earth being round. The time will be vastly longer, when compared with a comparable east-west flight closer to the north pole.

    Therefore, an examination of air timetables would easily do one of two things: demonstrate that the earth is a globe, or that it is, indeed, flat.

    Which is it, flat-earthers? Why aren't you interested in this trove of data?
     

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