Civil Discussion between Liberals and Conservatives

LOL! I consider myself a moderate. I can see truth in what both sides say.

K here goes one issue that I hope doesn't turn into a flame fest, LOL. Immigration, what's wrong with saying that people should come legally? And if they are not here legally then they should go back and work on getting here legally UNLESS they've been here for an extended period of time.

If they've been here for an extended period of time then I think things should be looked at case by case and consideration made to grant them immunity and let them stay. For example, if they've been working and contributing to society for say 10 years or more, maybe even five years, let them stay. If they have been here for an extended time but have a legal rap sheet, then deport them.

K, that's a challenge there I know. Will people that respond to my post here be able to do it without being insulting and verbally abusive??? If it does get abusive I'll just yank this post. HaHa, not interested in arguing with anyone. I'm mainly on this site for help in getting over my addiction.

 

I have traits of both a conservative and a liberal, at least where I live. Where I’m from, a liberal is actually more of a right-wing ideology that believes the government’s sole purposes are for protection from domestic/foreign threats and a promoter of both civil liberties and the free market. So, in that context, there isn’t too many differences between a conservative and a liberal for me.

If you mean American “liberals”, then I definitely see what you mean with the aggression with conservatives. Those “liberals” are completely different from liberals of other countries especially in AUS/NZ.

I agree. Nations have immigration laws in part to protect its citizens. They shouldn’t be undermined, and borders shouldn’t be open for free travel at any time.

I’m actually quite strict when it comes to immigration and foreigners. I don’t want foreigners to own land or property here at all if they’re not citizens, because it’s detrimental to those of us who actually live here. It’s almost like we’re foreigners in our own country. We have several cases of Chinese/Indian multimillionaire nationals that buy multiple houses and flats and only rent to other Chinese/Indian nationals (it happens with other nationalities, but those are the two most prominent). Same with the dairies here; only certain people get the jobs there, to a lesser extent. It makes the housing crises we’ve been having for at least the past decade become even worse, to the point where it’s almost a life’s savings just to get a poorly-constructed house with no insulation and only being warmed by a $7/day heat pump.

That’s not even getting started on illegal immigrants either. I don’t get what America’s obsession is with illegal immigration, but not even the Left here supports illegal immigration. In fact, the socialist/social democratic Left actually tend to be less immigrant-friendly than the liberal Right here, ironically (although mention the Chinese to conservatives and the more extreme Left/Right and they’ll take you into a nice conversation about how they’re taking over everything). Pushing for illegal immigration is political suicide.

 

Canada is the exact same way. I live in a small town in Canada and an East-Indian company bought a major plant in our town that was pretty much the bread and butter of our economy. When they bought the company they didn't pay taxes once and the contractors that this company used to get work done in the plant never got paid either which resulted in a lot of these companies going out of business which has made the economy here terrible.

That is just in my small town that's not including them buying properties in cities that has driven the housing market so high that owning a house and starting a family is pretty much impossible for any regular class people, it's definitely a shame that our politicians have sold out the local population that built this country and the reason why they get to enjoy the things they do. There are no good leaders anymore in Western Countries and that is a major problem in the Western world.

 

liberals vs republicans is donuts vs pastries
its the same forced concept illusion of choice
both are locked into the idea that you have a say in what happens in government

 

Yes. Best way to make people more powerless and dependent on your system is to keep them divided and distracted.

 

Is this an US-only thread or can anyone join in? Liberals v conservatives means something different here in the UK

 

what does it mean over there?

 

We actually have a Conservative party (aka Tories) who are currently the party of government. The Opposition to them is the Labour party who are more left wing than liberal, especially under their current leader. And we have a liberal democrat party who are tiny in comparison, who are somewhere in-between the Big Two parties in the political spectrum.

Describing someone as a conservative more often than not means a Tory. Being a liberal isn't really a 'thing', most people would describe themselves as something of a liberal, it just means letting people live their lives. What people in the US seem to mean by liberal is more akin to being a Labour supporter over here. Although labour supporters tend to be a lot more left wing than US 'liberals'.

We're also not as divided on specific issues - gun control for example is pretty much agreed on by everyone here regardless of their political views. Religious groups are also not as powerful politically.

 

WTF is a liberal and what is a conservative.
Just apply the veil of ignorance.