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Why Take The NoFap Challenge For So Long?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by ToastyCheese, Apr 3, 2015.

  1. ToastyCheese

    ToastyCheese New Fapstronaut

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    Disclaimer: I have nothing against the challenge, I'm not trying to discourage anyone in the challenge, It's just my thoughts. Please be open minded about this.

    Quote from NoFap

    "No Masturbation
    The vast majority of NoFap's users ("Fapstonauts") choose to abstain from masturbating to orgasm throughout the duration of their challenges."

    I agree pornography can be very damaging if abused. Masturbation does have physical benefits, it is enjoyable (in the short term), it can help us accept our body image. I think we may be putting too much focus on masturbation and not enough on pornography. When we recover from porn, we are free to fantasize and let our imagination go wild and it can motivate us improve our relationships (potentially). Masturbation without pornography when in the addiction stage may leave the individual having sexually intense thoughts. So yes, abstinence from masturbation may speed up the process, but the process most likely won't last 90 days or longer.

    What are your guy's thoughts? Agree? Disagree?
     
  2. Immor

    Immor Fapstronaut

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    The only thing you could be referring to is prostate cancer risk. There are better ways to reduce the risk of ALL cancer. Plus it is only a correlation, people might be masturbating less BECAUSE their prostate ain't alright.
    Ejaculating robs your body of precious raw materials and takes it serious effort to rebuild the sperm. Yet it does not do anyone any good. In the opposite, it makes people feel guilty, waste time, ...

    In my opinion prioritizing no porn over NoFap can be a good idea, but only because no porn usually means NoFap.
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2015
  3. NamelessJohn

    NamelessJohn Fapstronaut

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    Well for me it's because I am addicted to porn. The NoFap part comes in (at least until I lose my urges to watch porn) because masturbating will make me want porn. So I'm trying to not do either until I'm not addicted anymore. Plus I need to fap less anyway. 3 times a day seems abnormal to me.
     
  4. ToastyCheese

    ToastyCheese New Fapstronaut

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    Lower stress,
    Sleep,
    Ejaculate Control,
    Immune system,
    1/3 less likely to get prostate cancer (Ejaculating 5 times a week),
    you get rid of disease causing toxins,
    makes you harder (get soft as you get older)

    And this is just what we know, right now. Imagine how many more benefits we will know of in 100 years. So is it a waste of time? Does it do you no good? You tell me. I only feel guilty when watching pornography. To masturbate you don't need some machine to do it.. People have been doing it since humanity started. Your thoughts are your thoughts, nobody needs to know about them, so why judge your thoughts? Are there really better ways to reduce prostate cancer? 1/3 less likely. That's crazy! It seems like the easiest (and most enjoyable) way to reduce the risk. Your sperm gets's killed after 3 days so after 4-5 days (approximately) you are probably at your reproduction peak and do you really want all of those germs to build up for a week? A Month? A Year? It just seems like self-harm. As you said, "There are better ways to reduce all types of cancer", there are better ways to get those vitamins and minerals you are using. Those vitamins are like 0.3 - 4% of your daily need for vitamins.. Moderation is the key to a good life. It's the best of both worlds. People who use drugs/alcohol/fast food/exercise/sex etc are the people who live the longest. Abstinence just makes us binge, and it makes us jealous. One extreme is never good, but just because too much isn't good doesn't mean that absintence is the answer. You need to find the 'sweet spot'. Most things have benefits and draw backs. I can almost guarantee you that masturbation once a week is better than masturbation every 6 months (no sex either)
     
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  5. Immor

    Immor Fapstronaut

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    Alright.

    Not sure what you are talking about. The body can get rid of ejaculate on its own if needed by things like leakage.

    Probably based on this study:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15316239
    The study only showed the immune system is active after ejaculation. Why is not determined. There might be weird hormones released that the immune system has to mop up after.

    As I wrote before the idea is based on an observational correlation. It does not neccesarily mean one is caused by the other. People might be masturbating less BECAUSE their prostate ain't alright.

    If there is one place you won't find toxins, it is in semen. The body does everything it can to make sure DNA is transmitted safely.

    Actually there is reason to believe it makes you get erectile dysfunction.

    The average daily intake of zinc is between 7.7 mg for boys and 13.5 mg for men. Yet not all of it can be absorbed (especially when eaten with grains because of phytic acid). So i will arbitrarily assume effective zinc intake to be at 8.0 mg, which is probably optimistic, but i don't know.
    Average ejaculate contains 0.56 mg of zinc. Do it three times and you lose over 20% of your zinc. No wonder zinc deficiency is such a widespread problem.
     
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2015
  6. Thanatos

    Thanatos Fapstronaut

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    Do you really believe anything that they tell us regarding health? It's all about the profit, pornography and viagra combined are multi billion dollar industries.
    I'm sure that they can skew a few studies in their favor.

    Lower stress; seems like lower energy to me, more zombiefied and less likely to react in a positive or negative way

    Sleep: I sleep better with nofap, I'm not sure why

    Ejaculate control: ok this one is true masturbating does give you better control, but it's only true if you aren't getting laid regularly

    Immune system: I don't know about this....

    Prostate canceer: I think this is a myth and the studies are limited in scale, but I could be wrong

    Makes you harder: This could be true, because the body responds to how it's conditioned.
    Although I notice I get harder when I abstain for awhile.
    I'm not that old yet.

    That being said, after my reboot I will go back to MOing, but probably only once every two weeks or something like that.
    I'll go by feel, but 5x a week seems too high to be healthy.
     
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  7. FutureGuitarGod

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    He means ejaculation control. You can condition yourself to last longer by edging.

    All arguments against masturbation are pretty hilarious. I get the argument against porn, but it's like arguing for Hitler as a civil rights leader. No one is right.
     
  8. IGY

    IGY Guest

    Have you considered that what we regard as 'normal' is very much a Western view of things. Consider this Editorial:
    http://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/weird-masturbation-habits.26622/

    Personally, I had a chronic addiction to masturbation from the age of 13. It wasn't until I was past 40 that I first looked at porn. This resource would have been invaluable to me decades ago and I could have saved myself from tremendous unhappiness. I am more hopeful about the future now.
     
  9. Anthony Rod

    Anthony Rod Fapstronaut

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    I agree with #Thanatos and #Immor.
    Some studies the Viagra, and/or other companies(that profit in harmful stuff for people) may be misleading just to justify their products or services.
    Is just like trying to justify why soda is good. There are infinite reasons for why it's wrong, but they may be blind to it and accept only the ones that favors them.

    Back to the main argument... I accepted the challenge, and began to do it as long as possible, because this will allow me to leave these bad habits of watching porn and jerking off aside. This will make me replace them slowly with better habits. Porn as well as masturbation damages us in a lot of ways, and it's benefits are overwhelmed by there cons.
     
  10. Cojax

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    If you are addicted to porn, you are probably addicted to masturbation and fantasy as well. Give up porn without masturbation, and you will relapse quicker than you can say boner. For me mastutbation is linked to porn and fantasy, and even if I tried to Mo without fantasy, the thing that triggered me to want to Mo would probably be some kind of fantasy, or anything associated to fantasy or porn. So if I fap after something triggers me, the trigger will be reinforced, meaning it becomes a cycle that is hard to break free from. I might reintroduce Mo into my life after I am completely rebooted, but not until then.
     

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