masturbation without porn is normal if done in controlled environment

Please see the website "Info" section about "Rebooting Basics" where it explains different modes. Easy Mode = Porn Free Mode. I would actually argue that it would be impossible for many to do that mode because it's not made for a "sissy", you have to have a pretty strong will not to do that.
Also, you're making a couple incorrect assumptions. First, we are not "jacking off to porn", the people who are doing this mode are masturbating without porn and without fantasizing about it. Second, some people do not have a partner to have sex with. Third, I have a partner, sometimes she doesn't feel like having sex, that's when M comes in.
Please try to make some better arguments Goo...

 

I mean if u wanna masturbate that on you of course, it's ultimately your decision.
It's just I don't think it's good to have any talk supporting masturbation on nofap. This website is supposed to be about recovery from harmful unhealthy sexual behaviors (such as pmo).

So when your girl doesn't want to have sex, you can't wait until she's in the mood again? I can't imagine her not being in the mood for days on end...

 

Actually masturbation is pleasure activity so it in most cases done excessive because people have less self control(I also lack it) so if done once a week or in two weeks it does not effect badly. but one should first know that excessive masturbation is very harmful

 

You know when your original reason/problem for coming here is resolved. When you no longer want to look at P for the rest of your life.

That's a bit harder to answer because it depends how frequently you were doing it before, it's all relative. But I believe that infrequent means less than or equal to twice or three times a week, the less frequent the better.

Obviously, you don't want to be masturbating to this point, which would definitely be unhealthy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7547615

 

I think when one can masturbate without it causing flatline or any other negative symptoms eg. craving p, it may be safe.

Frequency is going to vary, I can't imagine more than 2x/week having any benefit. For most it may be 1x every 1-4 weeks.

I'm with you on that, I grew up in an agnostic household but even I want to swear off masturbation forever. Maybe sex 1-2x a week will do it for you.

There are no ruels, I don't have any insider knowledge - just countless hours of reading success stories/journals, particularly those of guys who took a long time to recover.

 

Yeah M is a very slippery slope. I've done 130days no PMO while Ming 1x/week and the progress I made felt no better than 30-40 days hardmode. 60 days hardmode felt superior to the 130days no PMO.

Read it, it's an illuminating book.

 

Hey sorry for the late reply. You touched upon moderation and control. The thing is most of us don't have the willpower to control. Just like playing videos, 20 minutes of playstation can easily envolve into 2 hours. People often times just can't help and that lead to a downward spiral. That's a vicious cycle. Why don't we get rid of the bad habits 100%, why do we need to cut loose ourself. Nofap needs discipline rather than moderation.