Red Pill Report

Well, I agree with this at least.

 

I kind of like your perspective here, assuming I understand you correctly. What I'm getting from you is "MGTOW knows some stuff but is way too angry at women". I generally agree. Once monogamy was broken up in the west, women went about trying to establish matriarchy, and men went about trying to become sexual conquerors.

In the end, most men don't become sexual conquerors, and despite the biological imperatives of women, many of them still find the current state of male-female relations to be shit, because the alphas of tinder have absolutely no motive to stay with a girl.

Mgtow is imo the male equivalent to extreme feminism. Both have rejected the stability monogamy used to provide through compromiss and have developed a winner takes all mentality in the realm of sexual relations. Mgtows will always fight for less state intervention in the world of sex so it is easier to dominate women, and feminists will always fight for more state intervention in the world of sex so the resources men provide is just delivered to them by the state and they don't need to be loyal to any man to be provided for.

It's all just really shitty and toxic, on both sides. No offence to you if you were a MGTOW in the past, I totally understand why you would want to be.

 

Thanks for bringing up this interesting topic.
I thought MGTOW isn't toxic, they just try to get out of the system completely.

 

Ok, i see

 

Phew, that's messed up.

The answer to this nonsense is education. People starting from school age need to be educated on the realities of relationships, and the differences between men and women (much of which is cultural, not innate).

The problem is that very few people understand the realities. Those people are definitely not the "red pill" or "black pill" people. We know this because they are men who are singularly unsuccessful at finding loyal girlfriends.

It's good that schools (in enlightened countries at least) are educating people on the need for tolerance and the fact that there are multiple genders. It's not good that the PC world has polluted the discussion so that much of what needs to be openly discussed is forbidden. It's not that openly discussing automatically means that someone is right, but that the only way to discover what is right is to discuss the various ideas and hypotheses, raise them to awareness, and then research them to find out what's really going on.

The way forward is not to spread poison, as the "pill" community does.

The way forward is to take people who are genuinely successful at fulfilled relationships, and let these successful people teach the rest of us. We need to include not only straight cis men and women, but also people of other genders and sexual orientation.

The current situation is untenable.

 

I think you contradict yourself, we need to listen to everyone (redpill or feminist) and make open discussion happen.

Good idea, but problem is more complex. If there are governmental laws (actions) that favors women (or men) they must be canceled to solve this problem (and I think there are).

 

You are correct, thank you.

Again, correct. Changing laws will happen when people are better educated. Unfortunately, the job of a politician is to win power and hold onto power, not to do the right thing for people or the planet, so that's always a serious problem in trying to change laws for the better.

 

Why can't this movie just be left alone as it is and not be used in a manner of how one lives their life?

The people who come up with this shit have ruined the movie's name and concept of it for many people because people take the meaning way too seriously.
What if they presented two types of toasts instead of pills?
A toast covered in marmite and butter wakes you up to reality and exposes the truth
A toast covered in peanut butter puts you back to sleep.

Do you see how ridiculous this sounds? Red/Black/Blue/Purple/Rainbow pill is nothing but a movie concept, not real life bullshit to justify ones way of living.
I can't even watch the movie without cringing because of this.

 

I think movie came after the concept (so that’s why it was named after the concept, I see no problem with this) and I find this movie really interesting, an example of open discussion with no hatred towards each over. That’s what is really needed, because we all (men and women) are in the same boat - any inequalities given by external forces (laws etc.) in big perspective will damage both sides (exaggerated example like slaves and their owners), that’s what happens (or will happen) with men and women.

 

The movie makes references to nihilism and existentialism, the Wachowski's were heavily influenced by Ghost In The Shell. The red pill and blue pill bullshit is just a made up concept from the movie itself that people who made the "movement" (aka people who spend WAY TOO MUCH TIME on the internet) more serious so they can justify the way they live life and identify as such because apparently being a misogynistic asshole actually represents what the actual color stands for.

 

I didn't say red-pill equated to misogyny, I said that the red-pill means absolutely nothing except a movie reference, it isn't real.
People who act like misogynistic assholes tend to hide behind the "red pill" label or as to what they actually are, incels. I understand the whole meaning that "you see the world for the way it is" is what it tries to imply but there are also two words for it for what it actually really is, common sense.

I'm not being harsh, if I wanted to be harsh I probably would've gone more in-depth.
It's just a fictitious concept, it's just a fancy way to say that you're starting to realize how the world actually works.
The 4th movie is coming out apparently, can't wait until that's been dissected and meme'd to oblivion.

 

There is no blue pill/red pill reality lol
An individual's reality is what they create with the decisions they make and what comes out of those decisions. If they think that abortion isn't cool then they think it isn't cool, doesn't mean they have blue pilled opinions, it just means abortion doesn't sit right with their moral values, that's all it is.

This is why I am saying the entire concept of red/blue pills is nothing but bullshit and should've just stayed as a movie reference, nothing more.

You don't grow common sense by seeking information and PC censorship, you grow common sense by experiencing life and observing/feeling what happens in the moment.

The internet isn't the best place for "information" about real life, the best place to gain information about real life is experiencing it as you live through each moment. Every individuals experience is different.

 

@MangoDude i misunderstood your first post, thought you are talking about ‘the red pill movie’ lol, now I see.