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New guy. Dealing with PMO and powerful fetishes...

Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by Jotun_Boy, Sep 7, 2015.

  1. Jotun_Boy

    Jotun_Boy Fapstronaut

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    Accidentally posted in the wrong section, posting here now... I don't mean to be explicit, but I don't know if I am being so, so there might be triggers here.

    New here. I've been struggling with PMO for a while, and I end up giving in 2-4 times a week.

    But the worst part is the fetishism. I'm instantly turned on by other guys with tattoos, piercings, and other body mods. Looking at BME(body mod ezine) is borderline porn for me. I'm sick of this, especially because I keep remembering that people don't put pictures of themselves there and other places for others to jerk off to.

    A huge part of this is that on some level I genuinely love body modification, though I've only got one piercing, and it's really easy for me to convince myself that I'm only looking at images because I like the art. By the time I've hit full on lusting I've given over too much of my will and end up watching actual porn.

    It's hard having a genuine attraction to something and also having it be a powerful turn-on when I'm trying to control myself, especially when this is so prevalent in the area I live. To me it's like being a recovering sex addict and every woman is walking around shirtless.

    This has been going on since I was around 14-16. I'm 21 now, purposefully living celibate. I'm Catholic, and while I'm attracted to the same sex I'm in full agreement with the Church on the morality of the acts.

    Another big problem is nipple sensitivity. There's probably just as much pleasure from there as my dick, so when I get urges it starts in my chest, not down lower. This has resulted in my oversexualising my chest, giving me too much access to starting myself off. A lot of the time, it doesn't even feel like my chest is something any more than sexual. It's hard to describe, but it puts a sort of separation between my identity and my body.

    I'm tired of objectifying other men, I'm tired of being so driven by instinct, I'm tired of not being able to enjoy something without it being sexual, I'm tired of feeling a disconnect between myself and my body when trying to starve out horniness, I'm tired of feeling so sexual about my body. It's hard for me to imagine what life could be like without the pleasure.

    I just need to get this out. Even if nothing helps, I just want to talk about it.
     
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  2. Septimus

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    Jotun:

    I'm glad you're here. Sorry I didn't reply sooner.

    You aren't alone. A lot of us here can identify with you on many levels. Like you, I'm Catholic. (Only I'm 53.) I am attracted to guys, and like you, I live by what the Church teaches. And, like you, I've had some fetishes, which came because of porn and fantasy.

    So here's the bad news: overcoming these things will be hard. You will work. You need to pray hard, and take real steps.

    Here's the good news: you can overcome this. You can -- and will -- make progress.

    Below my comment is a link that may help.

    I don't have any particular wisdom about the sensitivity of your chest. Do you wear an undershirt? I don't know if it would help; it might be worth trying if you don't.

    My overall suggestion is to develop a plan for how you're going to replace PMO. What good and worthwhile things will take the place of it? And what strategy will you develop for dealing with unwanted urges?

    When I go to bed, I've noticed -- only since I've been abstaining from porn! -- that for a few minutes, I'm kind of on a "hair trigger" down below. I'm not sure why, but if I'm not careful, I'll be "off to the races." So what do I do? I think of very concrete images of boring things, like paintbrushes and cabbages and ladders and hats -- it doesn't matter what it is, provided it's definitely non-sexual, and not something abstract. If I think "truth," no image immediately shows up. But when I think of "radishes," I get an image. And spending those moments focusing on that works really well to settle things down.

    If you pray the Rosary, that might help. Don't worry about whether the distractions are making it a poor prayer time. The point is to use the prayer as an "interruption" to the arousal, in order to calm yourself. Our Lady will be very glad that her Rosary helped you do that!

    The thing is, it seems to me that you can get used to the stimulation against your chest and somewhat desexualize it, but it will take time. But I am spitballing here, so maybe look around and see if anyone else has had any similar experiences. Maybe post a thread on it somewhere.

    Welcome! Keep coming back!
     
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  3. Jotun_Boy

    Jotun_Boy Fapstronaut

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    Thanks a ton Septimus, it means a lot to me to get response from someone who's been where I am. It helps to know I'm not alone. I just got really emotional typing this up.

    I feel like I'm just waking up after a long time to the fact that I need to stop being a neutral party in my faith. I'm done having my spiritual life be nothing but a cycle of sin and repentance. I'm finally starting to get more prayer in each day, reading the Bible more, praying the rosary like you've said. It helps a ton. Prayer is like breathing, it's not necessarily going to fix every problem in your life but you're doing nothing without it.

    With the issues I mentioned, when I say sensitivity, I don't mean rubbing against my shirt, I mean I I'm going to jerk off my nips are much more immediately sensitive then down there. So at this point that's also where the "hairpin trigger" feeling you mentioned earlier starts, which is a terrible inconvenience as it's so accessible But yeah, I totally know what you're talking about there.

    And I can't just keep a shirt on, my body can barely tolerate any kind of heat, so it's really difficult to have layers on all the time. I love cold. Like, I sleep with no blankets covering me with with a fan blowing, I take cold showers, swim in frigid lakes, and it's all totally comfortable to me. Summer is like hell. I'll be out building a snowfort in a tank top during a Michigan winter.

    Thanks for framing this with the fact that it'll take hard work to get through. Any illusions of ease are just going to trip me up in the long run. That helps validate a lot of what I go through.

    I've set up a reward/punishment thing for whatever happens in the next 30 days. Like, if I fail, I have to shave for a month. I really hate the way I look beardless, so that's motivation. If I get through a month without PMO, I'll treat myself. So far I'm 3 days in...


    Thanks a ton for your reply. It really helps. I needed to get this today.


    Also, one last thing. Given that you're attracted to other guys like I am while still following the church, the big question is: How far do your eyes roll back into your head when people accuse you of being a bigot on the internet for your views?
     
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  4. macscot

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    Hey Jotun Boy,
    I'm new on here, just signed up. Had seen it before but time to join up.
    Yes, like you, wired nips, ssa, and love Jesus and his Body, our Church.
    Really happy to find your post. Maybe it's just the newness of chatting here, but I can't help but think that all we need is each other-- and Him.
     
  5. Septimus

    Septimus Fapstronaut

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    Sorry I missed this. The answer is, pretty far!
     
  6. macscot

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    I'm on day 15...
     

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