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A couple of questions about what ejaculation does to our body

Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by frusciante54, Oct 12, 2018.

  1. frusciante54

    frusciante54 New Fapstronaut

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    I've been researching nofap for a while now. I'm not thinking about trying this. I'm neither against it, nor support it completely. But that's because I haven't fully researched it yet. However, I have a few question about masturbation/ejaculation.

    My old masturbation routine was, on average, once a day. Also, I was so strict with this routine that when I went without fapping for 3 days, on the 3rd day I would fap 3 times to make up for that. Now I'm doing it less frequently. I've set myself a quota, I can only fap 3-4 times a week. So once every 2-3 days. If I see an improvement on my life, I may consider making this even less and maybe even join your movement...

    Here are my questions...

    1) As far as I know, our body releases dopamine when we ejaculate but there are limited amounts of dopamine on our body. So when we ejaculate more frequently, we are using those dopamines and finally running out of them (not literally of course, we just have a few of them). Is this correct? If so, then if I fap less frequently without completely quitting masturbation, will this help my overall daily happiness state? For instance, will I enjoy everyday tasks more if I fap less?

    2) Connected to the first question... Like I said when a male ejaculates, he uses up lots of dopamine on his body. But ejaculation also happens during sex. I get that sex and masturbation are two completely different things but still, isn't it the same principle here? Aren't we using up the same levels of dopamine when we fap or have sex (in fact, even more when we have sex)? So essentially, on the subject of overall happiness and dopamine level, doesn't sex and masturbation have the same affect?

    3) This might sound silly but... I've recently been heartbroken by a girl. A girl who I was in love with left me and it took me 3 months to recover from that. I was trying different methods to ease this pain and I thought
    "Hey, so what we call love is actually hormones, right? So if I ejaculate more frequently to the point where I don't want to ejaculate anymore, essentially 'drying my tanks' would help because I wouldn't have that love hormone on my system which is causing this pain, therefore I wouldn't feel that emotional pain."
    So I've done that for a month but didn't seem to help. Then I tried the exact opposite. Filling my tanks (which is another way of saying not masturbating for a few days) and it actually helped. Also, I began to enjoy everyday tasks and got myself a few hobbies. While this was happening, my ex-girlfriend didn't even come to my mind that often. So, I guess my initial theory was completely wrong... Or was it just the time that healed me? In short, the question is this: If someone had their heart broken, which way of approaching this would be better to ease the pain? Should he ejaculate more or less often?

    4)Most people report and increase of morning wood after a while of not ejaculating but this is the exact opposite for me. When I go without ejaculating for a few days, I don't have that morning wood or sexual dreams. But the day after I fap, I instantly wake up with an erection and the need to ejaculate - which is also hard to do when you first wake up for some reason. Why is that? Why do I get that morning wood and sexual dreams the day after my ejaculation and not like other people?

    Thank you for your answers.
     
  2. Streaks affect people differently, so your results may vary. Many people report positive outcomes to abstaining, but even those outcomes may differ from yours. All I can do is give you anecdotal evidence based off of my own experiences. Which I will do now.

    For me, this is true. Tasks that seem menial, I end up just straight up doing it and being happier in the end for sticking to it. It definitely helps my productivity. However, while you're talking about fapping less, I refuse to do it at all. You may or may not get the same result if you decide to limit your masturbation to, say, once a week.

    Hm... being a virgin, I can't really say, but I see no reason it would be the same, at least not completely.

    To reference esoterics, the loss of semen in a male can actually be detrimental to his overall health, which has been observed here by some that go through "semen retention" streaks, including myself. Chinese esoterics state that a man loses a bit of his life-force every time he ejaculates because in order to give life, you must take away some of your own. Women lose some of their life-force by giving birth. (part of the reason why women tend to live longer)

    The only time a man can ejaculate without losing some of his life energy is when the semen goes completely inside the body of a woman. Which means having sex with condoms, when it comes to lifeforce, isn't any different than masturbation.

    (there are ways to not only prevent your lifeforce from being drained, but to actually regain it back, but I'll only mention those if asked)

    You should note that this is all just food for thought, I'm not greatly familiar with these specific esoterics and admit to not being able to substantiate them. However, based off of my own experiences with streaks, there does seem to be some merit to them.

    However, porn seems to have a greatly detrimental effect on the brain itself. Speaking for myself, one time, I binged by doing it 4 times in one day and I felt absolutely awful afterwards. I had a headache, unwanted thoughts barraged my mind, I had severe brain numbness, my memory went to shit. Took me about a week to recover from that.

    However, nobody seems to mention the same effects when having sex with a condom, so I would imagine it's not as unhealthy.

    Just my two cents. Take what you will from it.

    Yeesh, less often. I would never encourage anybody to masturbate more to deal with pain. Go out and talk to someone. Or workout to fight through the fustration.

    I also don't encourage finding a sex buddy and having sex with her as often as possible, but I'm not as against that as masturbating with or without porn (except for the risk of unwanted pregnancy).

    Actually, I'm the same way, for the most part. On a prolonged streak, I'm pretty much mostly inactive down there and it's due to a flatline, which according to many members on here, is important for a reboot. But should the unthinkable happen and I give in, my libido roars back to life, giving me urges to binge, and many erections. It's just in a more unhealthy way since I shouldn't need porn to kickstart my libido.

    Sexual dreams are more common for me during longer streaks. Morning wood... I haven't figured out yet. Sometimes it's common early in a streak, sometimes it's common over 10 days into a streak, etc.

    I hope this helped at least somewhat. Hope you officially join the community!
     
  3. frusciante54

    frusciante54 New Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for your answers.

    For this question I was actually looking for a more biological answer. You know, like, which hormone causes that broken heart syndrome (other than the situation of breaking up itself of course) and will the absence of that hormone (in this case, semen) kind of "numb the pain".
    Because I was thinking like this; ejaculation is like heroin, you don't want to overdose on it and if you don't have a reason to do that, you shouldn't. But if you are in pain, maybe it could help. Of course in this case I'm not saying people should use heroin if they have pain, but if I remember correctly, the pain killers in hospitals are made from heroin, in a very little dose. So, for a community which views masturbation like a drug that should be avoided, I wanted to give this example.
    Also, I didn't see my ex-gf in my dreams for a long time since I reduced to frequency of my masturbations. But a few days ago, I ejaculated 3 times in one day and on that day I dreamt about her (note that those ejaculations were with a partner, handjob and blowjob combined). So maybe my initial theory was completely wrong. Maybe it's the exact opposite. And here I thought draining my tubes would help me numb the pain... What a waste of 3 months that passed with crying in bed. Damn. :D
     
  4. Sayonara

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    Hey @frusciante54, I think you're over-simplifying what dopamine is and how it affects our emotions and that's causing some confusion.

    Firstly, what is dopamine? Dopamine is a molecule that is released during some brain processes and affects other parts of the brain. Dopamine is usually involved in reward systems (making you want to do something again) but dopamine is also CRUCIAL for simple brain communication, so if it ran out, you'd be dead.

    Dopamine is released during arousal, not just ejaculation. And when we get aroused by porn (flat, HD, extreme images), dopamine strengthens our arousal brain systems to respond to that kind of stimuli, whereas if it was real sex, dopamine would be strengthening a response to the smell in the air, the feeling of skin on skin, the visuals of a person moving in 3D. So dopamine helps to condition your brain to respond highly to porn and not to real life.

    So, with that in mind, lets have a look at your questions.
    1) I don't buy that masturbation uses up your dopamine so you run out of happy hormones. The classic response to having sex is that you feel great.
    I think a lot of people have lots of shame attached to their masturbation/porn habits and they don't ever address them. They hide their sexual secrets from the world and everyday they go about their lives with the weight of secrecy on their shoulders - and this leads to depression. Stress and secrecy and feeling like you're doing something wrong makes you mentally ill. If you truly think that what you're doing is somehow immoral or is contributing to your unhappiness, you should stop doing it, and you'll find that you become happier.

    2) Again, same as above - you don't run out of dopamine. Go have lots of sex as long as its healthy and you're not hurting anyone.

    3) Lots of people ejaculate to take their minds off the emotional pain they have. It doesn't deal with the situation. By not masturbating, you have to deal with your feelings, which helps speed things up emotionally.

    4) People describe the chaser effect - the effect of ejaculating recently puts your mind into a sexual state and makes you crave release more. Like if a lion was wandering around the Sahara alone, they'd conserve their sexual energy because it wasn't important, but once they found a mate, they'd have sex and then their sex drive would kick into gear and they'd want to have sex as much as possible in order to make sure the lioness gets pregnant.

    Hope that all makes sense. A lot of this is neuroscience and it isn't well understood even by the people studying it. The brain is the most complex thing in the universe and we're all just guessing really.
     
  5. frusciante54

    frusciante54 New Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for your answers. But I still don't get this dopamine thing. For instance, the reason why people feel bad a while after using a drug is because they used most of their dopamine and now they don't have enough to keep them in a normal neutral state. That's what I viewed masturbation for a while now. So how does it work exactly?
     
  6. ngardnerpv

    ngardnerpv New Fapstronaut

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    It is not about running out of Dopamine. Basically everytime you masturbate to porn you get a huge rush of dopamine making you feel pleasure. But over time if you masturbate to porn excessively the constantly high dopamine levels means that your dopamine receptors loose sensitivity to dopamine meaning that you need more dopamine to feel the same high. This is why people transition to more hardcore or abnormal forms of porn after they do not get the same affect with the porn they used to watch.

    The way this affects everyday life is that because your dopamine receptors are so insensitive from the porn addiction, everyday social interactions ect. do not release enough dopamine to stimulate the receptors to get a response. This is why porn addicts often feel numb or emotionless and can contribute to social anxiety and depression. Hope this helps (I study biochemistry at university).:)
     
  7. frusciante54

    frusciante54 New Fapstronaut

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    Okay. Now I get it. Thank you.
     

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