Do you mean dogs and cats ? Yes they do. But they don't do that for sexual pleasure. I don't think a lot of species do that, Dogs in particular sniff each others' butts. But don't lick them most of the time. Also, don't forget that many animals have a higher level of immunity to microbes than humans. Dogs can eat from trash bins, can you imagine what would happen to a human if he did the same. Cats on the other hand do that to their little ones to help them defecate. None of those cases are included in a sexual context. I think it's fair to assume most species don't use mouth on genital stimulation during copulation. Even primates don't do that, except for some herds. It's not common to find those type of acts during copulation, Humans wouldn't use their mouth on their genitals for anything other than copulation and mating, which is in my opinion absurd. You chose animals as an example but you overlooked a lot of things surrounding the context of their acts. During arousal the mans' penis prepares to enter to female's vagina, and the woman's vaginal canal lubricates and elongates to receive the man's penis without much trouble. I think if you analyse this biological mechanism, you will see both male and female bodies are getting ready for coitus (penile-vaginal intercourse) and not something else. If you chose to look at nature, mouth to genitals sexual stimulis ends up in the minority. Espescially when it's done under a sexual context. Personally, I saw only very few species doing that. I don't think we as homo sapiens are meant to lick each other's genitals. It's not like we have the same level of immunity as chimpanzees who can perfectly live with HIV inside their bodies. What may be tolerated by a specie's organism might not be tolerated by another one's. I even saw a strange animal who consummed his own feces right after defecating. It turns up this animal has the ability to re-digest it's own waste a second time and aborb the nutriments totally. this animal's evolution over millions of years made it possible for him to do that and not be harmed by it the least. Can you imagine a human doing that and not getting severely infected in the long term ? Absolutly no. To answer your previous question, I don't think oral sex can be classified as natural for homosapiens as well as the vast majority of living mammals. Simply because genitals are meant to be used for reproduction, and since nature is tricky, it added the ingredient of pleasure into the mix to push humans to have sex and crave it. But it's clear the role of pleasure is a role of a stimulant to reproduction, it's not really the primary goal of sexuality. I don't think it's any less important either, both pleasure and repoducing are just as importants and equally irreplacable. They go hand in hand. I forgot to tell you something, I'm not on a high horse nor I am high on any thing. That's not how you discuss with people. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. We won't enjoy any kind od exchange if we first start by antagonizing ourselves.
Writing passionate paragraphs in response to my comment that in nature animals do it all the time and do not get cancer or anything. You indeed are on a high horse. My point still stands. If we use your logic than in nature animals do not wear clothes, use smartphones, and drive cars. (But then again that's going by your logic.)
Also what others do in the privacy of their bedrooms is not a matter of concern for any intelligent human being. People are free to practice it without being judged by others. So if my tone sounds harsh to you, it very likely is. I abhor people who do this.
I'm always passionate about pretty much everything in life. I feel happy and proud of that, and definitly not ashamed. Yes, animals don't wear clothes. But humans started to wear clothes because they have lost all their body hair during the process of evolution, hence why they resorted to clothes in order to resist harsh winters. If you look for the indeginous people of Africa and South America, then you'll notice that they still live naked. Clothes are optional, just like phones, computers, or any device we use in our daily lives. However their presence isn't negative by default, unlike deviant sexual acts. Because we have a natural drive to seek food, water and reproduce. Cars don't fall into this category as I see. At this point, I feel sure if ears or noses could stretch enough to engulf penises some people will try to use them for sexual pleasure. Regardless of any conscequences. I wonder if you would have been one of them, and defend poorly but fervently this very point. Yes I agree with you 100 %. I don't want any business with these people nor do I want to cross their paths anytime anywhere. But when they try to convince me that what they are doing is normal , natural or anything in that spectrum, I feel pretty much irritated not because of what they are doing but because they take me for an ignorant and naive person. They have the right to do what they want, but I don't think it's really accurate and sensible of them to call it a part of nature. they don't have the right to lie to me so obviously and openly, it's just pure hypocrisy. And I hate hypocrisy.
To link oral sex in with anal is just stupid. Anal sex, using the rectum as if it were the vagina is inherently disgusting, abnormal, unhealthy; it is what the term "sodomy" was based on. Sex should always be affectionate, loving, hopefully sublime. Oral sex could meet those standards. Also oral sex can be as unnatural and unhealthy as other less natural forms. I would agree that normal vaginal sex is the most natural and potentially healthy in a real long term relationship. It becomes unnatural if it is in any way compulsory and unwanted, or during the woman's menses. Those who feel like they have a right or need for sex every day are robbing their bodies of normal development and sublimation of hormones and sexual impulses.
And using the mouth as if it were a vagina or on a vagina is no different really. How does that seem any different from using the anus. Except for the pain and hemorroid part. Many would agree that anal sex can seem "loving", "gentle" and "hopefully sublime" if done the right way with the adequate precautions. Just like you do, go to reddit and check those arguments: some even say it's like giving the ultimate gift to a lover and showing them how much you trust them. Anal could also "meet those standards" for those people, just like oral does for you. But I think I get what drives them to say that, people who usually view the world superficially, poorly justify what they do and don't bother rechecking their bubble of justifications anytime. Why would they, if no one ever points out the flaws of their reasonning ? And many people out there tell them their deeds are natural and totally healthy? I never bought the idea that those who perform oral on their partners feel little to no disgust at all during their whole "sublime" performance. They might be aroused, but surely they can also have a barrier of disgust themselves for nasty and unsanitary things. The only motive that makes sense to me is that they "endure" it and learn to "accomodate" with it for their partners, to gain their praise and permanent interest. Yes, I agree with you on that as well. but even if penetrative-vaginal sex is compulsory it can't be qualified as unnatural; abusive and unnacceptable, rape in short terms. But not unnatural; because the penis is meant to go there not somewhere else. It makes sense to me that you consider vaginal sex the most normal and potentially healthy of all sexual practices, it is biological instincts that will always prevail. the same way most women always feel that sex is incomplete without vaginal intercourse, even if it has oral as foreplay. As for sodomy, Well look bellow: Spoiler: potential trigger for some Sodomy original from the hebrew bible. It was the name of a city that has been forsaken by God because of their own set of weird practices. it refers to both oral and anal.
The problem with conflating oral sex with other, clearly unnatural sexual practices goes to actual actions. Kissing is oral sex; as is mouth to breast, to abdomen, etc.. If the objective is to allow the woman to orgasm, then stimulation of the clitoris is necessary in many of them through hand or tongue. I see nothing inherently disgusting or unnatural about men stimulating the woman's body through that. However I see the much touted female on man fellatio "blow job" to be unnatural and unhealthy. Excess stimulation of the man's genitals has unhealthy consequences. If a penis can not naturally get stiff and perform natural function with the woman's body, then maybe the guy is not healthy enough for sex, is having the wrong type, has a poor diet and exercise routine, etc.. Male pills to get an erection seem to me to be a really strange reality over the last 25 years since they have been around. Sex once or twice a week should be more than enough for most couples. Those of us who have gone months or years without sex or ejaculation don't consider sex some type of divine right.
Oral sex doesn't refer to kissing on any form. According to the current definition of wikipedia: Spoiler: potential triggering definition Oral sex, sometimes referred to as oral intercourse, is sexual activity involving the stimulation of the genitalia of a person by another person using the mouth (including the lips, tongue, or teeth) and the throat. Cunnilingus is oral sex performed on the vulva or vagina, while fellatio is oral sex performed on the penis.[1][2] Anilingus, another form of oral sex, is oral stimulation of the anus.[1] Oral stimulation of other parts of the body, such as by kissing or licking, is not considered oral sex. In the last sentence, it's clear that oral sex doesn't include stimulation of other body parts like mouths (kissing) or breasts or other body parts. it's used commonly as a reference to genital stimulation done by mouths. Hence the word "sex" is added to it. Kissing breasts seems to me more natural than kissing genitals, because as infants we all did suck our mother's breast for nourishement. if a child can suck it's mom breast to feed himself, then I don't see any wrong for an adult to do that to his female partner, even when it's under a different context. human nipples are erogenous zones in both genders, and stimulating them by hands or by mouth isn't as weird or even as nasty as for genitals. Not it can be a potential risk as significant as orogenital contact. Spoiler: explicit details You need to know the stucture of the internal clitoris to understand how women find pleasure in vaginal intercourse. The vestibular bulbs are surrounding the canal of the vagina and fill up with blood during arousal. Women too get an "erection" just like men, the canal elongates and the whole clitoris fills with blood; it becomes engorged and very sensitive. But it requires some time to reach that point, it's not that women can't orgasm from PVI, it's just that their process of arousal isn't apparent like men's. thus misunderstood. As for the oral stimulation of a female's vulva, it can be pretty nasty. Just think of all the vaginal fluids and urine it secretes during one day. Even more when aroused and ready to have sex. It's likely that those fluids have at least some flora that might negatively impact your health. I remember an old article which states that oral microbiotes does get influenced by the frequency of Orogenital contact. Another on Wiki states some of the vaginal microbiotes known to this day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...f_the_lower_reproductive_tract_of_women#Yeast There is quite many of them! I don't want to judge you or anything, but people should always seek to be informed about the details related to a subject.
How is it that you are on every single thread about oral? I get that you hate genitals and find them gross and unhealthy. But your obsession with this is unbelievable. And if you are so adamant about spreading the right knowledge how come you haven't started your own website and wrote your own publications to serve the public, instead of harassing multiple women on this forums about how they shouldn't do certain practices cuz you are convinced scientifically about them being unnatural and gross and ugly and dangerous. Hypocrisy much! Anyway, to each his own. (Or her own.)
I told you I feel passionate about many things. And you are right maybe I should start a website of my own, that's one good life project. Also it doesn't take a genius to observe that those acts are not sensible. it's easily observable and accessible by putting 1 and 1 toghether. Do you really think oral or anal is what genitals are made for ? I don't harass the women on this forum because they do what they do. I wouldn't have given a damn if they said "We don't deny that those acts don't have a biological and evolutionary foundation, they are potentially harmful as well; but we still like doing them! " That would have been a convincing answer to me. I don't react negatively because of their private lives but because they take me for somebody who is oblivious. They can't feed me senseless arguments and expect me to accept them. I could have been satisfied with one answer. We would be on good terms. As for the obsession that you might see in me. I am normally that way, it can be an advantage or disadvantage. It all depends on the circumstances. I become pretty much obsessed with anything until I find a convicing and satisfying conclusion.
We live in the 21st Century. There are a lot of things humans do which we weren’t biologically designed to do. We smoke cigarettes, we play computer games, we spend hours in front of screens- the list goes on and on. Sexual exploration, whether that is oral or anal, is completely natural and not at all abhorrent or disgusting as you mention. You seem to have a particular focus on oral sex. Firstly, oral sex has been observed numerous times in the animal kingdom with goats, chimpanzees (including bonobos, a species in which homosexual and bisexual behavior has also commonly been observed, and a species who also shares around 98% of our own genetic makeup), a few different types of monkeys, hyenas and sheep, among others. Do consider hand jobs or masturbation to be morally wrong and disgusting? As MuscularSherlockHolmes stated, get off your high horse and stop spreading your incorrect and very discriminatory opinion (that’s all you have here, an opinion).
I petsonally never saw a goat engaging in oral sex. And no shepherd told me so. I always saw goats and sheep herds breed but never one of them did that. I am aware of some primates who engage in oral. But it doesn't mean that if a behavior is observed that it is widespread among a specie, the herds who engage ïn oral are fewer compared to those who don't. The most spontaneous and instinctive way of copulation is coitus for every mammal; chimps or goats or even humans. And even if oral might exist in the animal kingdom it will always be an exception, a minority. Because animals are guided by instincts , more than influence. And environement doesn't have as much inpact on them as humans. Animals won't do to oral under normal circumstances. As for masturbation , I do consider it a 'sort of coping mechanism' when animals or humans who can't have a mate try to alleviate their frustration. It has it's own load of bad consequences. Remember that no mammal will resort to masturbation if mates are avaliable and eager. And many of people end here because of this destructive habit. And why do you think I'm incorrect ? Or discriminatory in any way ? Being discriminatory means being hateful and abusive. I won't act so unless for self-defence. I understand from your words that people are already inside their own bubble of justifications they don't bother to update. That's why you might see me that way.
Right, so because you haven’t personally witnessed something that means it doesn’t happen/ exist? That’s an awfully arrogant (and naive) statement to make. Look. I don’t care what you “consider” masturbation to be. You're acting as if your opinions are facts but where is your evidence for the statement, “no animal will resort to masturbation if mates are available and eager”? You are entitled to your own opinion but please don’t pretend that you know what you’re talking about because you clearly don’t. Read the Wikipedia article below. It has information from real studies on oral sex, anal sex and masturbation. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-reproductive_sexual_behavior_in_animals Do you believe in same-sex relationships? I do. I believe that same-sex relationships are healthy and natural and should be widely accepted. It’s obvious that people in same-sex relationships can’t have sex in the same way as a heterosexual couple. Your statements are discriminatory because you are effectively stating that every person in a same-sex relationship is having sex in abhorrent and disgusting ways, when they literally have no other options. Stop spreading misinformation. P.S. COVID 19 isn’t caused by 5G, FYI.
Has oral sex been introduced by porn really? Need sources on this. I have doubts. As for saying something is "natural" or not, it gets really complicated. Is wearing clothes natural? Is cooking your food natural? (every time I read about the "natural" argument, I smell bigotry) Yes there is a link but it's subtle https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/261453#hpv-and-cancer I have practiced oral sex quite a lot with my asian ex, mostly because of "tightness difficulties", so it was almost the only way to give her orgasms. Both good hygiene, and non smokers, I think (hope) we are fine.
I didn't say it doesn't exist.I said it belongs to a minority, this is why I didn't have the chancevto witness it. Just like many people who live in the countryside. I think considering the ratio of a phenomenon in the animal kingdom is important to know if it's instinctive or not for a said specie. I can't say I believe in same-sex relationships. But I don't want to feel hate for them of any kind. I just happen to wonder what kind of inner monologues they might be having; most of them aren't fully convinced themselves by what they do. This is my experience with many of them. Many want to listen to their pride and admiration but don't want to listen to their inner turmoils. You can't understand a human being without seeing all their facades.
It wasn't introduced by porn, it was normalized by porn. There is a difference. People are influenced by the images and media they consume and porn is no exception. Wearing clothes is not natural. That is why we tend to feel huge comfort and freedom when we are naked. Clothes are optional for people, they are only crucial when the temperature is low. Otherwise many would die from hypothermia. As for food, cooking it isn't natural. But I don't think our bodies can handle eating raw meat because it can be infectuous. Even the early humans got ill sometimes. Vegetable aren't really supposed to be cooked. Cooking food protected the people of my country from bird flu epidemic. it is not natural of course, but better be safe than sorry. I don't want to linger in your private life. But cancer isn't the primary risk in there, it doesn't exlude the possibility of contracting infectious diseases. I really hope both of you are fine, especially you. After this relationship is now over . But what do you mean by "tightness difficulties" ? The inability to have vaginal sex maybe ?
What gives you the impression it’s minority and, again, where is your evidence to support your claim? Have you personally researched the sexual behaviour of goats? Your statement, “it’s important to know if it’s instinctive or not for a said specie” confuses me. Are you implying that goats who engage in oral sex have been taught to do so? Do you think goats are influenced by porn? It’s not just goats by the way. I’m guessing you didn’t take the time to read the Wikipedia article I shared but here is some info for you: Auto-fellatio or oral sex in animals is documented in fruit flies, spiders, (Darwin's bark and widow) brown bears, stump-tailed macaques, Tibetan macaques, wolves, goats, primates, hyenas, bats, cape ground squirrels and sheep. I find your opinion on same-sex marriages concerning but, as I stated earlier, you are entitled to your opinion. I’ve got no idea what your justification is though, as I don’t really understand what you mean at all. You can disagree with same-sex relationships if you wish but you can’t disagree with the fact that’s it’s a natural phenomenon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals
No, of course not. Oral sex has been around for as long as humans have been around, and has existed in the animal kingdom for even longer. I seem like I’m a spokesperson for Wikipedia at this point but please just google “oral sex history” if you want to find out more info. You and your ex-partner will be absolutely fine. If I were you I wouldn’t worry about cancer and oral sex links. Life is too short. If you really are concerned, do some research (on both sides of the argument) and make up your own mind.
