Risks of cancer from oral sex

All I can get is your anger and lack of understanding. And beside my aunt didn't have a "relationship" with this classmate. this girl used to touch her female friends without their consent, it was inappropriate and an uncomfortable experience. There we rumors back then about her being in a "gay" relationship, I don't know if it's true or not. But it didn't stop her from establishing a hetero relationship.
Trust me , we won't reach an agreement if you keep exploding and react recklessly.

 

@MuscularSherlockHolmes, where did you grow up exactly ?

 

That I can agree with.

Isn't it hypocrisy? You lack understanding when it comes to gays, and people who like to love their partners in whatever ways they want to. And you say I do not give you the same treatment?

Is this completely true? Or someone might have made this up to shame that girl into obedience. It's not unheard of in such cases. Since neither you or I was there, how about we do not trust anyone's tale and keep a judgement free mind about all parties involved.

Or maybe the society forced one on her! Women are a powerful being, they can do a lot of stuff very well, even if it's not agreeable. Plus what chance did she ever have to live life her own way with your aunt and other people pressuring and manipulating her to do what they wanted her to do.

Or maybe I am just pointing out the truth that you purposefully ignored and you still do not want to see it, and therefore you focus on those parts of my message that suit your mental narrative and ignore the real bits of truth just cuz you find me reckless and explosive? You truly amaze me for being a scientific minded person. Once again, people who think they are morally superior to everyone else are usually insecure and weak and are just hiding behind something because they do not want to deal with reality.

 

What do I not understand exactly about gay people, that you apparently do better than me ?

Yes, it true. about my aunt I mean, she too have been targeted by this girl. Personally it wouldn't surprise me if the rumors turned out to be true as well. Nobody really hated that girl, except when she did inappropriate touching on others.

They didn't force one on her, she looked for a man on her own. My aunt and others didn't pressure her into doing anything, because my aunt didn't have a deep friendship with her. They were no more than school friends.

How do you know that for sure ? it's not because you have read some messages on this forum that you can fully understand who I am. I still see no 'exposed' truth in your replies, only anger and speculations.

 

I don't understand what you mean , those couple of points seem contradictory to me. You say that the compulsory nature of sex has gotten 'gross', I fail to see what you mean by that. What are you exactly trying to clarify here ?

What is tricky with religions is the variety of interpretations. You say it was just one of the five cities destroyed by fire, what were the reasons the other cities got destroyed ? Whatever they might be, it seems your god considers 'sodomy' a sin that is equally devastating and unforgivable as 'abuse' or 'lack of love'.

 

Let me tell you why...
1. You find genitals unclean and unhealthy, despite the fact that they are just another part of your body and are not something to be disgusted about.
2. You stereotyped lesbian women and you made homophobic statements.
3. You cite scientific studies in a non scientific manner to shame other people for what you do not practice yourself
4. You show an alarming tendency to control what goes on in someone's bedroom

Etc. Need I go on?

You have been preconditioned by your family and society to hate all these things and you consider yourself morally superior over such people.

What I understand better about gay people? Okay I will tell you. It's pretty simple... Let people love whoever they want to, in whatever ways they want to. What you do in your bedroom is your business and what others do is theirs. Being a busybody is not something to be proud of. You are not better than them. And I am no better than you. We all are human, and we all are free.

Maybe it's not me who is being angry, have you considered that?

 

It is meanly due to massive media influence. A lot of people would have never imagined engaging in similar acts if not the external influence in the media or the huge shift that happened after the so-called 'sexual liberation', which introduced pornography, and now we are are here because of it.

1- Yes Genitals are unclean and unhealthy if they happen to reach the mouth. Why do you think you're advised to wash your hands everytime you touch your private; either to check for something alarming or just after leaving the bathroom. But I don't hate them, or despise them, they are just another part of my body that has a unique and exquisite role to fullfill. They are beautiful when used adequatly.
2- In what way do I stereotype lesbian women ? Or did I even insult gay people ? Criticising and analysing behaviors isn't the same as insulting them. Many others would have exploded at you for less, I don't want to act like this.
3- Scientific facts in a non-scientific manner ? Give me an example of a pure scientific fact with an adequate scientific manner. So I can compare and learn from it.
4- An alarming tendency to control other's bedrooms ? Porn has infiltrated people's bedroom without showing any 'alarming tendency'. Many would use the same allegation against you if you ever dare express your opposition on porn. It's not an alarming tendency that I have; it is more a determination to seek and say my honest thoughts on a matter. But I don't want to rely on my first impressions to form an opinion, I try to dig for more and more infos escpecially on some particular subjects.

 

What do you exactly know about my society ? Or the culture I grew up in ?

It sounds the same as telling someone who is against porn to let people discover and enjoy they sexuality in what ever way they want to, they aren't affecting you. Why do you care ?. It is what you will be told by the major part of society nowdays. We are all humans and we are all free, yes it's true. But remember we're all under a heavy lockdown because someone eat bat soup in china; freedoms comes in pair with responsibility.

 

I read some of this thread and I think @MuscularSherlockHolmes was quick to jump the gun about you being homophobic. I agree with your sentiments about their behaviour. What you said was simply objective analysis.

As for the giant oral sex debate, Ill offer my perspective. From what I’ve gathered one of the foundations of your argument is that microorganisms that naturally occur in the genital region should never come into contact with your mouth. I tend to agree, but it’s more complicated than that.

The bacteria and viruses that occur in most people’s genitals are not supposed to be there to begin with. Yes, there are several types of bacteria like streptococcus which would not be considered an STI, but is a harmful bacteria which should not be there. Most people are asymptomatic carriers of many viruses like HPV and HSV. My point being, if you have unprotected PIV sex with that person with strep in their genitals, you are going to become infected whether it’s your mouth or your genitals. So, are you under the impression that the immune system in the genital region is stronger than it is in the oral region? Of course they are different, and could have differing results upon transmission.

Basically, you should just not have any type of sex if you’re overly concerned with hygiene and transmission of organisms.

You’re also being unreasonable in comparing anal sex to oral. Set aside how the sex is designed to occur (PIV that I completely agree with you on.) the anal cavity is going to harbour completely different organisms than the mouth or genitals. Typically, harmful bacteria and waste products. Unlikely to come into contact with e.coli or c diff in someone’s mouth or genitals.

I pride myself on the strength of my immune system from my diet and supplementation, and I pride myself on my hygiene. Do you consume raw garlic, raw honey, eat fruits and veg as a priority in your diet? Supplement zinc? Vitamin c? Herbal tinctures like cats claw, lemon balm, licorice root? Iodine? While practicing semen retention? (I know you’re a woman) my point is I’m confident in my immune systems ability to handle what I may come in contact with thru oral or vaginal sex. Especially if my partner took care of herself in the same way.

There’s a risk with everything you do.

 

I agree that she isn't completely one. But she is borderline and your objectivity should never be used to shame and demean other people's lifestyle. So I may have jumped the gun, but I am not the worst party in this conversation. You guys need to learn to mind your own business and not pronounce judgement on people who do not walk the same path. You are quick to get offended when the same thing happens to you. Bollocks!

 

It's mostly complicated because there aren't serious research done on this subject. There are various types of bacteria present in the human genitalia, for example women normally harvest millions of bacteria. Which only a few are known to us until now. If it is advised to wash our hands it's because they too are a growth habitat for bacteria; that can become harmful in the long term of exposition.
When we speak about dangers of infections, it's not always related to STI. According to Wiki oral on both males and females: Such contact can also lead to more mundane infections from common bacteria and viruses found in, around and secreted from the genital regions. I wonder what they mean by this ,Other than bacteria which doesn't result from STI, or the one solely related to STI ? This statement is ambiguous to me.
There is a list of the normal vaginal flora present in women; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...the_lower_reproductive_tract_of_women#Aerobes
I can't believe every single one of those is risk free.

For women the lower track of the genital region is highly acidic, which protect us from numerous types of infections. As long as we try to protect ourselves and take care of hygiene. But even so, a mouth doesn't have the natural defenses we have in our lower genital track, it is not as acidic as the vagina. There are various types of bacteria that enter the vagina on a daily basis, especially when a female defecates. If the vagina didn't have a strong barrier of natural defenses I wonder how I didn't catch infections a long time ago.

Those are generally great measures. It's good to avoid synthetised food as much as possilble. In our culture, we cook our own food most of the time. We don't feel the need to eat in restaurants. So I can say I have a similar lifestyle to yours. I lived like that for all those 22 years of my life. We're not different on that aspect.

I wouldn't be confident in that if I were you. Even if your partner tries to protect herself as much as possilble, it doesn't mean that her vagina will a sterile environement safe enough to touch with tongue (unless she uses disinfectant like trump suggested). It's not beneficial for her to use soap on herself either, getting rid of some bacteria will cause her BV: a desiquilibrum in her genital flora. Beside providing no full garantee of your safety. It's not because they are harmful to you that they are not meant to play a role in her reproductive health.
Beside, one point that bugs at me: What about your taste buds and disgust endurance, do you think you can handle putting your tongue in there without some at least some repulsion ? it's up to you, but I know no human can handle putting their tongue somewhere like 'a waste exit'. I don't know about you of course, I might be wrong.

I compare them in terms of abnormity. Both are similar in term of biological deviation. the genitals aren't meant to be used that way, the mouth isn't meant to be used like a vagina, or on a vulva. Like the anus isn't made to be used like a vagina.
As for the health impacts, both can result in serious health impacts. especially with frequent and lavish practice. Those health complications can be equally critical, but not identical as many tend to think.

 

If the vaginas acidity was so impressive at preventing infection then STDs wouldn’t exist. I didn’t see you mention much about the fact that people can easily be asymptotic carriers of all kinds of things, which you can contract through vaginal sex. Where did you address the point that there’s just as much risk with PIV sex? Why don’t you just abstain indefinitely? You realize that whether the infection enters your mouth or your genitals, it can easily make its way throughout your body?

I imagine our dietary choices and lifestyles are vastly different. Which is why I have confidence in my immune system and you dont. I never used to have this type of confidence until I made drastic changes in my life. I was terrified of getting an STD. That fear has vanquished. Of course I still take precautions, but I know in the event that my immune system did not immediately destroy the invader, it would given a short time. I’ve already experienced it.

Context matters. Comparing in terms of abnormality is stupid. With that logic, hand jobs are equally as dangerous as oral and anal sex. A hand job is a biological deviation as well.

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I hope you get over this fear soon. It’s equivalent to what’s going on in the world right now. Hide away in your homes to protect yourself, never mind your perfectly designed immune system. That’s the product of people that don’t know a thing about living healthy. They’ve been sold the lies that a few simple measures are all that’s needed for protection from disease. Live as unhealthy as you want, as long as you wear a condom, don’t have oral sex, and get your vaccines, everything will be ok. Good luck with that.

 

No that isn't what I meant, I don't think vaginal acidity is strong enough to repel the most deadly STIs. But it can provide enough protection from feces' contact as well as many other bacteria that can contact it during the daily life quite effectively. Including the normal bacteria found in a healthy man's penis. the mouth however isn't as strong as the vagina in this matter, many thing that leave the vagina unaffected might be extremely hazardous to the mouth. Without excluding the potential pathogens that are a part of normal vaginal flora.
Beside I don't think PIV sex is risk free either, but at least our bodies are equipped well for it (with the exception of highly deadly STIs), unlike oral sex, or even anal.

Yes context matters in everything. manual genital stimulation might not serve a biological purpose, but we use our hands to wipe our butts after pooping or our genitals after peeing, touching a private area with hands isn't the same as putting our privates near other's sensitive body parts. At least it doesn't make one partner put up with the discomfort of putting their mouth in the rear end of someone, that is naturally 'nasty' enough for our smelling and even tasting senses. It's one important difference to me. Many people only 'accomodate' with the whole thing and the only type of motivation that drives them is their partner's feedback. However it doesn't fully take away their feeling of ickyness.
There is a trick even with manual stimulation, because it makes PIV sex unsatisfying in the long run. It's good to touch each other's privates, but mild touches that don't lead to climax are way better than reaching a death grip for both males and females.

How can you be so confident that your immune system is 'perfectly designed' ? . If so many people were really that immune against covid-19 you wouldn't find so many deaths in one single country : USA.

It works genuinely for my country, we have a lower death toll than even Israel and Norway. Because people here are taking the lockdown seriously, they don't gamble on uncertainty like western citizens. They don't leave their homes unless it is primordial and always abide to security measures when going outside. My own parents always wash their hands for more than 20 seconds , many times during the day and even without leaving the house.
The problem with most western citizens is that they aren't used to strict restrictions. To them, individual freedoms are the number one priority in any situation. This is why they have difficulty accepting security measures and try to find their own alternate 'solutions'. I no longer feel surprised from it, especially after Trump suggested his 'miraculous treatement' and many were blind enough to follow his words. Life to them is more about entertainemnent than duty and responsibility, that is among the many things they miss right now about going outside.
The only possible way this pandemic will end is by finding an efficient vaccine or an efficient treatement protocol. If you don't believe this, you can take the risk of exposing yourself to the virus and playing russian roulette.

 

I couldn’t allow her to continue spreading misinformation but you’re right, I’ve wasted too much of my precious time trying to change her warped opinions. Her views on anal sex, oral sex, homosexuality are very ignorant and discriminatory.

I can see you’ve started to argue with her again so I’ll offer your own advice back to you- it’s not worth it, she just doesn’t listen.

 

I don’t even know where to start with a statement as stupid and dangerous as this.

 

if it's what you want. I have no problem.

 

Good luck on your journey.

 

Dont bother starting. If you think that’s a stupid statement you’re probably brain dead. Just wait until the government comes to save you with their mercury and aluminum filled vaccines.

 

The immune system only works properly if you don’t live and eat like a degenerate, which 99% of people do. It’s amazing how efficient you are at missing the point. Still no acknowledgement of the fact that no matter the route of entry, harmful bacteria and or viruses can make their way throughout your entire body.. you know, through the bloodstream and what not. Just abstain indefinitely, youll never be safe. Stay inside.