ITS OK TO MASTURBATE GUYS! ITS NORMAL!

HIV is a virus, not a disease.

 

AIDS is neither a virus nor a disease. It's a syndrome.

PS: I do agree with everything else you say and the stats you presented and facts about anal vs vaginal sex are indeed correct.

 

Never Masturbate!

It gives you a huge dopamine boost, like porn. It may not be that harmful like PMO is, but MO is still harmful. You are throwing your semen away. You need semen retention to develop your strength, MO is also a waste of sexual energy.

Look it from that perspective: Why do you need MO? What will happen if you do not do it, tell me? Will you die?

 

Our boy Creatus apparently has never been celibate for a long period of time and either has been jacking off or having sex throughout his life. He is under the false impression that masturbation will control your sex drive if he stopped jacking off and while not having sex he would realize his sexual impulses and desires would greatly diminish.

I didn't jack off in my youth and I wasn't horny all the time either. When you jack off your body converts testosterone into DHT which is the sex drive part of testosterone, but I think it's more psychological and wanking can turn a regular guy into a total pervert. If you constantly think about sex, idolize it and fantasize about it you will be real horny and jacking off will kick your sex drive through the roof. If not physically it will make you lustful. Jacking off apparently according to studies increases DHT even more than sex [ also causes hair loss]

If your celibate for a long period and don't think about sex all the time idolizing it, it doesn't matter how much testosterone you have you won't be lusting or horny. I've taken steroids which put my testosterone levels higher than humanly possible and although very jacked and virile I was not jacking off or having sex and in fact, they were the last things on my mind. I felt like king of the fucking world. I think a lot of people look to sex and wanking to deal with depression and it spirals down from there.

Had no problems with lust or my sex drive as a youth, but when I got older I got depressed and had problems and in despair, I listened to this shit about jerking off being healthy and have struggled with it for years now as an adult. It becomes habitual and once you break down barriers, when you start to experiment, throwing caution to the wind, you believe the lie that nothing is really harmful it's just religious nonsense and that is where the guilt comes from, or like in my case you just stop giving a shit, it's hard to get those barriers back and you find out it wasn't just religious nonsense.

@Creatus
Why or how you equate libido with creative energy is a mystery to me? Seems like you are extrapolating ideas from fallacious logic and calling it fact. I remember many teenagers who damaged their futures jerking off. Quit sports, bad grades, bad health spending all their time jerking off. That is some serious libido but no creative energy. All the creative energy and desire for other things was destroyed by the lust. I've seen many adults addicted to jerking off spending every moment they can get wanking jerking off in wank booths and porno theaters.


The Same thing can happen with sex it can ruin youths as well, and it can ruin adults, the sex drive is not rational and it's no toy. When you jerk off you are awakening a monster. I've seen jerking off utterly destroy people. With sex, there tends to be a governor [hetreo sex no real governor with male 2 male sex ] on it as it's limited, but with jerking off the only limit is how much time can you get in private.

 

*yawns* Zzz

 

Wrong.

 

agreed. Brilliant post. I would also add there are cultures were masturbation is unknown. Yourbrain on porn. com had an article about it.

agreed. More likely they transmute their energy. lots of people have sex and drink alcohol, few end up great artists or writers.. but the great ones even when they had problems maintained massive self discipline.
Bach was devout, faithful and chaste within marriage and massively creative and productive. Michelangelo was chaste and massively productive.

 

careful! He also claims to be speak five languages and is an expert on Geopolitical conflict... or he could just be an angry, angry troll...

 

this is true. and it is also true that anal intercourse is the much more likely to transmit STDs of any kind.. if it were not for the cultural politics involved, it would be declared far more dangerous than smoking, even with a condom (which often 'break' ). it is completely unnatural for homo and heterosexual alike - it can be highly - perhaps even more- stimulating than 'normal' sex because from what i understand it touches some nerve endings but other things can provide unnatural highs that aren't good for you..

the whole argument about porn's negative effects is that it is providing way more stimultion than we're naturally built for.

But I agree with themadfapper and even if you don't, the concept of 'hey if it feels good do it' is one of the most damaging legacies of the counter culture that arose post WWII.

 

I believe fap doc is a species of the 'mall ninja'

 

Then we are not disagreeing at all. Anyone who believes I'm advocating "just masturbate your life away" is projecting BS ontop of the very clear and concise point I'm trying to make which is that masturbation can be OK. (And it is amazing how that's difficult to digest)

Seriously. Your projecting BS is impressive. My entire life experience contradicts your "brilliant" philosophy my friend. Better get off that high horse at some point because nobody likes a pretentious judgmental over-assuming self-proclaimed authority of BS. My sex drive started at age 5. I had powerful sexual impulses long before I even knew what sex was. How it was then and how it is now is not very different at all. I'm sure because this directly contradicts your one-size-fits-all prescription you'll just conveniently call me a 'liar' though.

Man - You just literally don't know how to listen or read. Your ears are clogged with your own assumptions that ARE NOT WHAT I'VE SAID. Let me make this clear: I HAVE NEVER ONCE ADVOCATED "JACKING OFF" EVERYTHING I HAVE POSTED ABOUT IS THE OPPOSITE OF "JACKING OFF" - MAYBE IF YOU COULD ACTUALLY LISTEN AND RECEIVE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE SAYING YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO ON A CRUSADE ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. Hopefully if I write it in caps you will actually read it.

Sorry for your experience. It's unique. Just like everyone's. You probably should stop assuming everyone is the same as you. That's pretty much a God-complex.

Oh yes such a long-shot. Oh, what's the purpose of sex again? Is it possibly procreation?

I'm sorry your past experience created such a powerful bias. You clearly never met me. You clearly reject what I'm saying. So you clearly will never see your bias shift. Nobody can make you open your mind. People decide something is one way, put the blinders on, and off they go forever in a straight line. You're welcome to do whatever you choose.

For everyone else; Don't let someone's bias or self-proclaimed authority steer you away from being authentically who you are. There are too many people in the world imposing their standards onto others, and usually it's because they are actually insecure themselves, so they go around trying to convince themselves that what they are doing actually works by forcing the same things onto other people. This is not a one-size-fits-all reality. There is certainly more sexual diversity then what our cultural standards would reveal. The way you can basically spot any fraud, whether it be religious, institutional, educational is they will force you to do things one way and allow no exploration or creativity. This is basically the dictator-like-complex that strips people of the beauty of a multi-colored, intricate and complex humanity that is more real then the cookie-cutters the world would love to put upon all of us. Don't be swindled by fire and brimstone. Fear is the most common weapon of the aggressor who is so insecure they have to manipulate others in order to feel better about themselves.

 

I have my doubts because every action has an equal and opposite reaction. That is the law of nature. With every bit of pleasure you treat yourself too there will be some form of pain that comes along with it. And this is not to place to go around spreading the information you're trying to spread. You're like a guy going into an AA meeting handing out cans of beer to recovering alcoholics and saying, "just drink it slow and responsibly and you'll be fine"...

 

You are dead wrong. This is not an anti-masturbation forum this is an anti-porn forum. You do not have to quit masturbation to even use the counters here, which is why they let you choose your goals. I hate and am against porn. Why I am making the points I am is to shed light that there are more then one way to quit porn. I quit porn and chose not to quit masturbation and live a healthy life as a testament that it is possible, in fact what I would love to do is help people quit porn and what I'm suggesting the way that worked best for me. The whole idea that you can't healthily masturbate without "falling back into porn" is actually a perversion. Yes - I can understand why people would struggle with it - because we create the porn/masturbation connection and yet that connection is not natural. Everyone here saying masturbation is not natural are totally wrong, but the reason they say it is because they never successfully separated the two. All I've ever suggested is a process where someone can separate masturbation and porn because they can be completely different. Porn is visual/mental fantasy. Masturbation can be sensual/body tangible experience only. Why is everyone struggling with that notion? Because nobody is taught how to do sensual/body masturbation only without mental/visual fantasy. And because people are so determined to keep the blinders on they probably never will. That's fine for them! But no - What I am suggesting is not telling an addict to go back to their addiction - thank you very much.

Here's the amazing point however: Masturbation without porn and sex without porn will make someone who has formed the connection between porn/sex/masturbation more susceptible to relapsing back into porn. Therefore if you believe that healthy natural masturbation makes someone in danger of relapsing you must also say healthy and natural sex makes one just as susceptible to relapsing to porn. Hence there is an obvious bias and prejudice clearly being demonstrated here.

 

No you are dead wrong. If one of the choices is no masturbation then this is an anti-masturbation site as much as it is a no porn site. In fact it's more of a no masturbation site cause who the fuck watches porn without masturbating?

And you are also wrong on you're last point as masturbation and porn are completely self indulgent and although sex can be too you are still sharing love with a woman who wants you and almost needs you so they are completely different.

And like I said when I edited my comment. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You will never get off scott free no matter how mystical your masturbation session is.

 

Hey genius - you can masturbate without watching porn.

Also - since you want to be in denial about masturbation being anything but a dirty sin, I'll just say I also have incredibly mystical sex with my lovely caring fiance. She's helped me a great deal get into my body and senses. She is a sex-expert I would say, having studied it intensely in college.

I am greatly dissapointed with the consensus and superstitious way of thinking that is all-prevalant on these forums. It does encourage me even more to start sharing what I've learned and put my own experiences out there. Thanks for helping me see the severity of how uneducated our world is on these subjects.

The results in terms of celibacy and masturbation regarded as a dirty sin is already in: Just look at the vatican, where sexual perversion and child molestation breeds like a wildfire. What you suppress is what creates an equal and opposite reaction my friend. Hence, people create their own demons and then eventually become possessed by them (a relapse). Which as we can clearly see - is happening for all the self-proclaimed know-it-alls here.

Personally, I was living a monastic lifestyle and learned the very hard way. Glad that phase is over. Glad I made peace. Glad demons and mindless superstitions don't haunt me anymore, since I saw how even the so-called authorities had absolutely no clue how to handle themselves and dealt with it by becoming even more mean and forceful onto others. What a great tradition we've created. Too bad nobody can remember what came before all this.

 

Tip: There's a difference between having an opinion and shoving that opinion down others' throats, champ. But do your thing I suppose

 

You're way of thinking is so flawed that I would be here for the next 30 minutes pointing out the mistakes in your arguments and not only that so is your motivation to be here. I'v never seen someone so enthusiastic about masturbating and not only that you're preaching it on a website to support people who are trying to stop. Tbh I think you are an addict but you are just rationalizing it to make yourself feel better. But you are worse cause you're trying to put a toxic idea in peoples heads so that maybe you're not the only one that feels like a piece of shit. Seriously man go sort yourself out.

Tantric masturbation.. Pretty soon there will be tantric pedophilia and tantric murder.

 

Touching yourself and throwing away your seed could never be natural.

 

OK. Glad this is full of bigots who think masturbation is a sin and are more concerned with slandering someone who successfully quit porn and still masturbates then actually taking the time to share a single thought that is constructive. I am certainly not going to keep wasting my time with people hell-bent on recycling the same garbage that made porn such a problem in the first place (we never were taught natural sex - just shamed for our nature... Read the Bible, it becomes pretty evident). Great job everyone and much thanks for your educated responses.

 

Thank you.