Ending Porn but going back to Fapping?

You're probably going to hear an even amount of yes and no.

Some people say that your sperm has vital energy and special subtle powers in it, and by releasing it on a regular basis is very wasteful and de-energizing.

When I first joined this site, I thought that was a bunch of hogwash. But now that I've gone almost a month without an orgasm, I'm changing my mind and starting to believe some of that foo-foo taoist teaching. Here's a great thread on that topic.

One thing is for sure: fantasizing about sexual thoughts on a regular basis (whether you masturbate or not) is completely pointless and counterproductive. We can all benefit from replacing these thoughts with something more meaningful and productive that helps us become a better person.

 

Well it depends on a lot of things. I'd say no, because in my opinion masturbating a lot can still cause erectile disfunction and unability to feel anything when having sex (a vagina has nothing in common with a hand...). And for a few other things also, for example : I have seen a hell lot of time people deciding to stop P, but continue M, and eventually they came to a point where their imagination only wouldn't satisfy them, so they relapsed and went to porn again.
So I think masturbating without porn is not worst than masturbating with porn... But it's not that much better. Both are wrong imo. Take a look at this thread, it shows what I think about it :
http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?16084-Purpose-of-this-Forum-Choosing-Struggle

BUT. "as long as it's not affecting your daily life or your sex/romantic life", well there is no problem, right ?

So if you want to know my answer, I don't watch porn, and I don't masturbate/edge at all. But take care of all answers and what everybody as to say. In the end it is your choice.

 

The thing is, if you really want to recover, you have to realize and accept that you can live perfectly happily without any kind of orgasm whatsoever. I really don't see the point of doing Nofap if the only thing you're looking forward to at the end of your reboot is the day you can masturbate again.

Then again, masturbating sporadically after your reboot will probably not do much harm.

 

I would not masturbate at all. Because FAP without P will eventually lead back to PMO, it happened to me (after 82 days) and it also happened to many others!

 

I haven't done a complete "reboot" because I really don't buy into that. I came here to get support with never looking at porn again, and making sure that my M was under control. I M every 7-10 days and I don't go to porn fantasies. I think of actual people that I have been hot for over the years, or just imaginary "friends". I have sex with my partner every weekend when we can relax and enjoy it.
My exposure to NoFap has helped me enormously, but I'm doing it my way. Sure that gets a lot of undies here in a bundle, but here's my rational. If the change doesn't come from within you, it's not change, it's just following. If you need that kind of direction to start out with, take it. There are plenty of people here that would love to walk you through it. I hope that those same people will honor other ways.
Why did you come here? Did you take the time to clarify your goals early on? Go to those goals and stick to them. If it doesn't work out, it's all part of the learning process call Life.

 

Are we browsing the same nofap.org website ?

Anyway you asked for links, took me a minute to find this one :
http://www.nofap.org/forum/showthread.php?16084-Purpose-of-this-Forum-Choosing-Struggle

I'd also like to post these ones, even though they don't come from here :
http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1bqjqs/is_masturbation_without_pornography_still_bad_for/
http://www.reddit.com/r/sex/comments/1a2vso/

Just don't forget that it is still your choice and if you believe/notice that excessive masturbation does nothing to your life, then you can continue, there's no problem. I post these links so that everybody reading the thread can read them too

 

And THAT, is why you should abstain.

 

Like I said, I haven't done the reboot, but I only want to quit porn, and the hours that only online porn sucked me into.
The death grip of masturbation doesn't have to occur. Over the years I have developed a very sensitive style of MO. I haven't suffered from any sexual disfunction except the extremely rare PE. In which case I have the ability to continue without a rest (not bragging, just lucky).
I haven't looked at porn, nor have I had the urge in 28 days. I have only allowed MO every 7-10 days. I believe in control of the senses, but I do not believe in celibacy. I treasure the energy of sex, and vow to never squander it again.
I've stated here before that I think hard mode and indefinite celibacy is draconian. I have sex organs and libido and I intend to use them and enjoy them.
I can't get on board with the alcoholics analogy. Alcohol is alcohol. PMO is 1) Pornography, 2) Masturbation, 3) Orgasm. Three very separate things. They can be teased apart. There is a way to masturbate which will improve a person's sexual performance and satisfaction. I equate this more to a person with an eating disorder. Would we never eat again?
Many of you extol the virtues of self control. To me, that is the nut of the problem. I think it might not be setting realistic goals for young males to stop ALL sexual activity in order to bring porn use under control.
Once again, it comes back to what did each one of us come here to accomplish?

 

well talking about not exessive masturbation I don't really know. I know that if one day I allow myself to masturbate like once per week I'll relapse and start masturbating 5 times a day again, that's why I'll never allow myself to M anymore.

That's true, the success rate is low here. But just remind that this is my very firs try, and I'm already on Day 60 full hard-mode (no M, no edge, no P, nothing). I think a lot of people are not prepared to go through this sort of depression periods (the so called "flatlines"), they blame PMO for a lot of things (like stopping PMO would change their life), and they are unable to wait for results. I started this challenge with a proper mindset I guess, and I was lucky to find this thread early when I started :
http://www.yourbrainrebalanced.com/index.php?topic=15558.0

I post this thread almost everyday here, for me it is the most helpful thing that was ever written about this topic. People should know why do they want to stop PMO. If you have anxiety issues, of course stopping PMO forever will help a lot but I'm not sure that PMO addiction itself creates anxiety issues, at least in most cases I guess ? IMO it strongly reinforces it. That's just an example. And just my opinion.