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Day 8: I'm not trolling

Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by GenkiAdept, Jan 20, 2018.

  1. GenkiAdept

    GenkiAdept Fapstronaut

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    Hello,

    I am no stranger to the NoFap community. I've once held a streak over 160 days, completely monk-mode hardcore.

    I've been off and on the bandwagon because of my lack of discipline. Most recently I held a streak of 20 days. In these twenty days, I did fairly well at work and I achieved some personal goals such as getting my license and a car.

    You're not going to want to hear this, but I'm testing another challenge. I'm day 8 into the opposite of what I had originally set out to do. For 30 days, I will make an effort to fap at least once per day. This will be my discipline. If fapping/PMO really are my problem, then by this logic, I will not be able to achieve any of my goals, and I will let my life fall apart instead. However, if end up making strides in my life, I may have to re-evaluate my loyalty to NoFap.

    But don't get me wrong, I've experienced NoFap. I KNOW the benefits because I've experienced them. But I also know the tension and the insatiation that is inherent within the system. I'm choosing to experiment beyond my normal means to test the claims I've previously held with regard to NoFap. Either way, I'd like to let this community know of my findings and have discussions proper.

    Just a side note, I'm not encouraging anyone to relapse. If you're on a streak, especially if it's your first one, DON'T DO IT. I'm choosing to be the guinea pig so you don't have to.

    Anyway, welcome or ban, I don't care which. Hola.
     
  2. Ongoingsupport

    Ongoingsupport Fapstronaut

    .. I get the logic of this but I think a lot of people, like myself just pretty much fapped once a day when we did do it, so I don't really see the point of it?

    I suppose making it a conscious choice changes something, and sure it's not like just spending hours edging, so there are a number of variables here. But then it's like what about any number of self improvement things to test in a similar way? Someone could be like "I'm going to eat a donut a day!" ...

    You used the phrase 're-evaluate your loyalty to NoFap' - this assumes it is a question of loyalty in the first place. For many no doubt it is, but while I think it is a factor in healthy living I don't think of it as "loyalty" in the first place.

    Also, frankly I don't have the time to test one variable at a time. I am interested in maximizing health so I'll do all the things I'm reasonably sure would support that and would support each other, it would take way too long to test each one individually and all the possible combinations. Call me unscientific but I just don't see the point of it unless someone thought NoFap is the only variable that matters.
     
  3. HooEmAi

    HooEmAi Fapstronaut


    In my mind, you seem to be creating extremes in regards to the benefits of no PMO. Surely, there are other means of getting a dopamine "hit" to your brain. This site, for example. The alerts one gets. The perusing for that interesting article you feel you want to share in, troll in, whatever in. In the way I think of no PMO, one has to have either a serious addiction to porn, in which case you'd consider it a disaster to voluntarily resign yourself back to your previous addiction if you had it. So you likely don't. Or you'd have to have yourself invested in a monogamous relationship of some weight/time, and you'd be wanting to do things to bring back the energy, vigor, and lust of the "honeymoon" days. I'm in the latter situation. And it's had benefits in just shy of two weeks for me regarding my wife, no doubt.

    If neither applies to you, there's still significance to no PMO. It's that you'd be working toward better self-confidence by not putting your unrealistic ideals/fantasies on a pedestal and weakly pulling taffy in front of a screen. Thereby killing time, desire for the real, and depersonalization of those creatures you consider the ideal in walking/daily life. Not to mention, you're still sparing up some dopamine "hits" and better calibrating your brain. In my opinion, this experiment is a waste of time, and will tell you nothing, really. Please don't be angry about me being frank.
     
  4. GenkiAdept

    GenkiAdept Fapstronaut

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    HooEmAi,

    First of all I appreciate your honesty. As it were, I don't identify with having had a previous serious addiction to PMO and I'm not in a monogamous relationship either. In fact it may be the extremes I've created, with regard to the benefits of NoFap, that has set me out on this "opposite direction" challenge. But let me articulate exactly what I mean.

    Somewhere in my mind I came to the conclusion that NoFap makes me better, and that PMO, or ejaculating to be more specific, made me worse. Better would mean I'm more confident, I have more energy, people (including women) want to be around me, the deeper voice I developed would make me gain better rapport with others, I would perform better at work and get more done, I would have stronger eye contact...the list goes on. The opposite, PMOing everyday, would mean that I would have less energy, people would try to avoid me or feel awkward around me, the lack of depth in my voice would push others away, I'd let all of my priorities fall apart because of brain fog or whatever, and my work and productivity would suffer.

    So in reality this has more to do with MO than it does with PMO. I don't really watch a lot of porn, anyway.

    Anyway, I'm doing this challenge to effectively test the validity of my claims and deeply-rooted beliefs, and I don't think it's a waste of time, although you may think different.
     
  5. HooEmAi

    HooEmAi Fapstronaut

    Meeting a goal can lead to more confidence. More confidence, to more energy. More of both, to people wanting to be around you. More connection to others, to more enunciation/eye contact. It's really in the power of you believing in what you're doing. I believe that one small piece of the "brain fog" puzzle would be in indulging in too much social media/porn/internet in general, really. The dopamine hits, as it were.

    The only outcome is that you'll need to work through what you've learned, about having more confidence from the previous experience and hold onto it as you continue old behaviors. And the dominoes may continue to fall for you with those other things. Essentially, I think it's the goal that's 400 pieces of that 500 piece puzzle. The other 100, are the dopamine sparing in the brain. Because it's not all just "mental." Epigenetics and neuroplasticity tell us that behaviors/thoughts have lasting effects on how our brain process and thinks/body moves. Just my .02. Good luck in your experiment, keep us posted if ya will!
     
  6. @GenkiAdept

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