What about MO with old memories of a real girl?

Claudio, if your goal is to rewire your brain, then you should reset your counter.
Nofap is really simple: no fapping, no porn and no orgasms. Fapping also includes playing with yourself without orgasming.

 

I would agree. Porn is subjective to the viewer. The Sears catalog can be someone's porn. The site is called "nofap.org" not "FapToSomethingOtherThanPorn.org." Even without porn, masturbation causes a dopamine high, which is just as addictive regardless of what you are looking at.

 

I'm getting frustrated, because people just don't seem to understand.

Sexual fantasy is porn. Try to get it through your head.

What do you think about a guy who masturbates complusively every day fantasizing about "real girls" and says "P is the real enemy" while huffing and puffing from the power of his death grip and the euphoric speed of his machine gun-kind of super-speed fapping.

Sounds like a rationalisation. Reminds me of when my idol, Eminem said in an interview about his prescription drug addiction:
"People tried to tell me that I had a problem and I would say, 'Get that fucking person out of here, I can't believe they said that shit to me. They know nothing about my fucking life, are they out of their fucking mind? I'm not out there shooting heroin, I'm not putting coke up my nose, I'm not smoking crack."

That's just the kind of shit you're saying here. "I'm not watching porn, I have no problem, I just masturbate compulsively, but hey, the porn is the enemy here."

Masturbation is a drug just like porn. And when they are used together, they form synergistically this more powerful drug called "PMO". But all of it's components are as addictive.

The real challenge is to stop porn, masturbation and intentional orgasm altogether. If you want to fool yourself by fucking girls inside your head and beating your sausage, then do that, but don't say that NoFap doesn't work, when you're not even letting your brain to reboot.

I'm not a violent person, but I would punch everyone in the face, who says that fantasy and masturbation are not bad. I'm also not a religious person, but what in the world gives you the right to have sex with other people inside your head?

Claudio, you might have a problem called "oneitis" or something similar. I had really close relations with a girl once, but I didn't make a move, when I was supposed to and she was in my mind for two or three years. I thought she was perfect and she was really close to being mine, but I didn't have the balls to move forward. I regretted it so much. The most torturing thought was "what if". Do you have something unfinished business with this girl, which might cause this obsession?

 

Mental porn is still porn.

You are giving in to your brains desire for a hit of Dopamine.

 

The PMO vs MO debate rages on. One of the issues specifically with high-speed pornography is the ability to increase your "dose" of dopamine. You can constantly view novelty, infinite videos of increasing intensity or shock value. The novelty is what gives your brain a higher dose. If you're having the same fantasy about the same girl, I don't think it is as bad as watching porn. If you are fantasizing about doing more and more hardcore stuff to her, that would be more and more unhealthy. My two cents: the first kind of fantasy is healthier than porn. For that matter, I'd say porn is more healthy than soliciting a prostitute (for more than one reason). Likewise, real human connection is certainly preferable to MO any day.

Some people can go from alcohol dependency to being able to have an occasional drink. Others abstain for 50 years and still crave it every day. Is there a "healthy" level of masturbation? Is there a "healthy" level of drinking for a recovering alcoholic? Some would say absolutely not. Others would say absolutely yes, at levels at levels below those known to increase the risk of relapse.

I've addressed this in other posts, and I always say the same thing: Whenever I see a thread on here asking, "does this count as a reset?", I'm not sure anyone can answer it besides the poster themselves. If you rely on other people to answer it for you, you get endless, heated debates about morality, PMO vs MO, the morality of prostitution, etc. And rightfully so, we need to develop strong opinions in order to address PMO. But for ourselves. What are your goals? Would the thing you're asking about help you reach those goals? If not, then it is a reset. If so, check in with yourself that it really is helping, and not just an excuse or rationalization. If you still truly think it helps, then it doesn't count as a reset, and don't let anyone else tell you it does (especially someone who says they aren't violent, then threatens to assault each member of a large segment of the population!). Just a hint, though: if you are second-guessing yourself and/or feeling guilt, it probably was a reset for you. Likewise, if you say "It doesn't help, but it doesn't hurt," then it's probably still best to avoid. Learn from the experience and challenge yourself again.

T

 

It's not nearly the same as actually watching porn however.

 

It would depend on the person. Most women, for example, arouse themselves with romance novels, which is essentially mental porn. There is nothing "magical" about nude imagery, or even sexual acts. Porn, in the narrow sense, might make the dopamine hit more intense for you. However, that would not be true for everyone. Generally, younger people, or males, are more strongly visually stimulated, while women and older people are more strongly mentally stimulated.