Fixated on NonNude web models

I progressed on to that later on in my addiction, so you're not alone. It's very dangerous territory, the whole 'nonude' thing because it's not always 18 year olds on those sites, some are much younger and hence you end up in illegal content. You should ask yourself, where is it going to end? for many it ends when they are in prison, don't be that person and get your life sorted out before it's too late

 

You're not alone. I've already relapsed to clips of girls in bikinis riding a waterslide. (It sounds stupid, lol.) I don't have a strong bikini fetish, but sometimes just that novelty is enough, and also I often find that some particular clothing is more arousing than no clothes.

But it doesn't matter. It is still porn for me, even though legally it doesn't count as pornography. Sometimes I make excuses for watching certain types of content which is not porn, but in such cases, it is just porn substitutes, which are not any better.

 

^ That is the point LilD. The glossary says this about their potency:

The salient point is that they are: "undesirable replacements to using pornography." So, using them requires a reset.

^ This is massively damaging. You need to address this behaviour as a matter of urgency. Masturbating until you cum (quickly) would do much less damage in your brain. The article that explains this is here. I recommend you read it ASAP!

 

You're not alone, and you're not an outsider. Lots of us have developed porny fixations on seeing people do things that are not obviously sexual and when in clothes.

 

Hi, I m on the other side of addict, but love someone with the very similar problem. I think maybe you should think about it, if it's can be some reason inside yu,maybe deeper like you think. It's coz adult woman are not attractive for you? If yes,for what?Peter Pan complex or similar? Means adult woman more responsibility? But generally I think thats principe of addiction is the same like with P, coz this is just another kind of it. Anyway you realize it and guess you are trying t do with that something and that's first , very bravery and important step.

 

I also had strong temptations to go to underwear sites this morning. My brain was bombarding me with shit like, it's not nudity etc. But it is a behaviour that has led previously to full PMO. Anyway, even on its own, I would have to reset. *sigh*​

 

Hello Horenuker, and congrats for having the courage to talk about it with us.
I'm going to make you a confession.. I had the same problem as you do. Let me explain:

Just like you, I browsed internet porn galleries searching for "amateur", "candid" and "non-nude" pictures, and most of the time I liked them young. Even though these websites say they don't accept pictures from girls under the legal age, problem is: it is not always written on their forehead and by browsing such galleries, you know you are likely to find girls slightly younger.

As for me, everytime I bumped into girls doing hardcore, in a professional way with high definition cameras, wearing heavy maquillage and tatoos on the body, piercings and stuff like that, I skipped because I wanted a really soft picture, but in fact, I wanted this picture to be what I call "borderline", totally amateur, looking like a real selfie. More than that, I disliked pictures where the girl, even though she was young, looked the type she knew that she was able to attract men and already wore fashionable clothes, with the trendy haircut etc. I wanted the selfie to look almost accidental.

After that, I connected to chat salons with a female pseudonym (generally I cut the picture under eye-level so the girl was not recognizable in order to make the whole thing more convincing), sat back and enjoyed the guys' reactions when I ended up showing them the stuff after some small-talk. It was like a ritual, and a very unhealthy one. The pictures able to match my expectations were about one out of a thousand, so you can imagine the number of hours I could spend searching for them in order to "get my kicks".

I have the same idea as you when you talk about "depravity" — which is relative because my behaviour strongly relates to depravity... In fact, I could download nude stuff, but it had to look so candid so it happened very seldom. When I got tired of such game, I simply went back to hardcore porn and finished. So yes, I think this is a hell of a weird and fucked-up substitute.

I will watch that thread anyway... Cheers!
TTMT

 

Hi, I would like ask, it wasnt helpfull to know thats illegal or that they are litteraly kids still? If you dont want answer, thats ok.

 

They were adolescents, not kids — although it depends on your definition of "kid". I repeat though that the website I was browsing were absolutely legal.

But for me, even a picture of someone of legal age, but who LOOKS younger (with certain clothes, haircut or just body type), can lead people to unhealthy fantasies, even if they remain virtual.

I also want to remind that keywords typed on free mainstream porn sites are very frequently dubious (like "daughter abused", "teen crying" and all the rest).

Otherwise, I don't think having such deviances is good.
Hope I have answered your question.

Cheers,
TTMT

 

I think its important to accpept that legally anyone under the age of 18 is a minor and therefore cannot give their consent, anyone under that age with pictures on a web site would by law require an agreement signed by a legal guardian, for example fashion models and advertising etc. When you start getting into the realms of 'nonude' porn then i would seriously take a websites claims that the pics are 'legal' with a massive pinch of salt.

I honestly don't believe that a web site owner of that kind would give two shits if the stuff they have is truly consensual, for starters you'd have to be a pervert to run one of those sites in the first place. By definition 'candid' content is not consesnsual due to its voyueristic nature, the person in the photograph doesn't know their picture has been taken and is plastered on a website to be drooled at by men with their hands down their pants.

Imagine if you had a daughter who was 16 years old and someone had taken a photo of her in her swimming costume whilst she was just hanging out with her friends and you discovered the image had been posted on a site and read the lewd and filthy comments under the displayed image. Any father would want to hunt down that photographer and kick 7 shades of crap out of them. I used to believe all the crap these sites say and convince my self it's just a picture no harm done, but in reality there is plenty of harm and people who view that kind of content are only adding fuel to the fire.

Recently in the UK it has been made a seperate criminal offence to take 'upskirt' pictures, that falls in the nonude category and people convicted of taking these pictures will now face being placed on the sex offenders register which is a good thing because people have got away with it for a very long time because the law hasn't caught up with current trends.

 

Thank you a lot ! then I guess that this two reasons can not be "en

Thank you a lot ! For me adolescent are still kid and not adult but that's can be depend for very bad experience from my childhood. Thats unfortunately true with the mainstream porn sites.. I m just at the start of start of understanding at least a bit how its with PA ,PMA and all this stuff, so I really appreciate your answer.

 

@thorswrath32

I agree with you, anyone under the age of 18 is of course a minor who needs legal protection, since an young and immature person is always fragile and, because of the natural interest for sexuality due to puberty, likely to get influenced - or abused - by other (and older) people.

By the way, the legal age in France, for instance, was 21 years old before 1974, and I don't think that all young people between 18 and 21 are totally stable and know how to recognize abuse, I mean, they can be vulnerable too! There's always something stupid in laws because they are applied to everyone, whereas each person has a different background, story and level of fragility. A 18-year old girl can still be a "kid" in my opinion.

Actually, it is like addiction. Some people tend to think that there is a well-defined limit that once you've passed it, make you an alcoholic, a smoker, a sex pest, and so on. I actually don't think so: for me, there is a gradation of "colors", and if you get addicted to anything, it is a slow process and there are a lot of steps and phases.

Some people linger on the early steps and never go further, some people remain a long time on a phase but finally go beyond at some point of their lives for specific reasons, some other climb such scale quite quickly and end up very young being at incredibly high levels of intensity, quantity and frequence while consuming the object of their addiction.

I don't think that the pornographic thought in itself, in its very core, which is linked to hyperconsumption, objectification of people, pleasure in desecrating and breaking taboos, etc. etc. is either horrible applied to a 16 year old girl, or totally acceptable for a 18 year old one.

You will tell me that a 18 year old girl is supposed to be mature enough to decide on what she does with her body, and I'll tell you that she can be just as influenced as a younger girl by harmful and damaging mindsets popularized in the social media, including Internet pornography but also music clips, song texts, TV series, etc. etc., which are softer, okay, but much more subtle and insidious than porn.

As a matter of fact, being more than 18 doesn't protect you from being a victim of sex trafficking and being lured by pimps, procurers, producers, whatever they are, as long as they give them a nice speech at the beginning.

We don't have to think less "quantity", and more "quality": if an adolescent just passively watches porn from 12 yo and 18 yo, it won't be compromising for anyone since there won't be any sexual act, but as soon as it will be possible, when the legal age is reached, that person will engage in risky sexual behaviours or will have a distorted vision of man-woman relationships.

When I see 14 year-old girls dressed as a (provocative) 18 year-old one could, it is sexual and sexually interpreted, at least by male minors.
So, I'm afraid that law cannot give a moral frame to society on that matter. It is unable prevent people from getting addicted to pornography at a very young age, unable to impede sexual harassments, blackmails at school and on the social media, suicides of teens because of "selfie" or sex tape leaks, in short unable to replace bad thoughts by good ones, because law is theoretical and doesn't care about educating.

I would like as well to underline the fact that I AM NOT defending any kind of dubious attraction toward teenagers, whether they are minors or just above (barely legal as the sick porn sites love to say). I am just saying that the escalation of fantasies on the virtual field can be very quick, even if it is generally not followed by actual crimes (I know sometimes it is, but to a much lesser extent, and fortunately!).

I perfectly know the feeling of disgust one can have when thinking that a loved person (daughter, sister, girlfriend) can become the target of sick glances from strangers, even more when a picture is taken! Nevertheless, it is just the same way of thinking which applies to people who say they are disgusted by the commerce of fur because it kills innocent animals in a horrible manner, but afterwards tell you that these animals have already been killed after all, that they won't make this kind of commerce stop, so there is no point in refusing to buy it!

When you have reached a certain level of addictive craving in front of morally questionable stuff, your brain just escapes the debate and makes you click on it. You just submit to the dictatorship of the virtual trade of human bodies, which is sadly more profitable than ever, whether it be through actual sales or just massive advertisements (this is just crazy how many people per hour browse that kind of shit, so of course a small number of them will buy extra stuff that they don't need).

@Citadelle
I understand your astonishment, and I'm glad that you better understand how all this can work...
If I have to insist on a point, it is that mainstream porn sites and even apparently harmless messages in the media can fuel desires which, if they reach a certain level, become simply monstrous.


I'll be happy to follow that thread if any other helpful comments can be made.

Sincerely yours,
TTMT

 

Sorry, it's maybe my mistake.I hope that someone ll helps you.

 

You got a point!

Nevertheless, thing is you mentioned 18 year old girls, and and you used the word "candid".
So, in my opinion, you have already seen a whole bunch of minor girls without even knowing it, as there is a thin line between legal and illegal age due to the impossibility to check how old the girls are, especially if there is no or little nudity.

Now, it depends also on what you are actually doing with the pictures: are you searching for them compulsively just to masturbate in front of them, or are you showing them, exchanging them on chats, forums, etc.?

If you tell us that you are more turned on by non-nude, it means that there is something in the fact that girls are dressed which arouses you particularly. Has it something to do with the amateur, candid thing? Maybe the fact that the girls have their clothes on reinforces in your mind the idea that they are not "intended" to be watched and that they don't really want it. So there is a transgressive aspect that might seduce you.

You haven't given a lot of details, so perhaps I missed the boat.

 

CFNM - clothed female, naked male - is a real category on porn sites. So the OP is far from the only one with this desire.

 

Germany legal age of consent is 14. I know that as that is where I had to do research