OK, let me preface this with I didn't take biology or chemistry after high school and am relatively new here despite being 37 years old. I haven't done a ton of research, but am curious. My goals are quitting porn, increasing testosterone naturally, being more mindful and being more healthy overall. I keep reading that when abstaining from orgasm, testosterone increases until the 7th day when it peaks, and then it fluctuates after that. This got me wondering, what if you limit yourself to one release per week, preferably with a committed sexual partner, would this be beneficial for natural testosterone increase and overall male health in the long run?
I'm not sure, but one orgasm a week seems healthy. As humans, we need sexual release, so I guess it could work.
Yeah I've been trying the PMO thing. Abstaining from PM makes total sense to me, but I think a lot of guys go nuts when they try to abstain from Orgasm for long periods of time. I'm trying it for myself as an experiment, but I'm not convinced that it's the healthiest choice for the human male. Seems like a weekly (give or take a few days) release might be a more balanced approach. Could have testosterone increasing effects in the long run?
This probably explains the flat-lining people experience while on nofap. Eventually you'll need to release and I think the fundamental part about nofap is that you do so within the comforts of a loving embrace from a significant other instead of just pictures of other people fucking. Releasing is great, but releasing by yourself has some serious long-term consequences akin to brainwashing.
I should also mention that masturbating maybe once a week would be okay, but NoFap is specifically for people who have turned it into something habitual to the point where there are hormone imbalances and the result of that is living a subjectively sub-par lifestyle. So we're talking about people jacking it every single day, multiple times a day, even past exhaustion sometimes.
Just wanted to post an update on my theory. On another thread on the forum I heard about Mantak Chia. This is some next level sh*t. I watched a few of his videos and then found this one. The 5,000 year old Daoist wisdom he teaches seems to confirm that my theory was partially correct. So unfortunately I can't take credit for the idea As he explains at around 4:20 in the video, the Daoists discovered that there is an optimal number of days for men to go in between ejaculations. The number of days decreased gradually with age from a 4 day interval when you are 20 years old to 30+ days when men are 60. I am 37, so based on this Wisdom, my optimal interval between ejactulations would be 13 days by my calculation. As he explains in this other video , this doesn't mean that you can't have sex, but you should learn not to ejaculate. The video also teaches exercises. Many of his other interviews and videos are amazing as well. This may have already been covered on NoFAP, but I hope it helps someone.
A peak of testosterone is guaranteed after a week indeed, and then just returns to normal but, androgen receptors, which recieve the testosterone and use it for, stuff (hair growth and such) increase as you abstain from orgasm. So the testosterone that you have get's used more efficiently.
Right, but according to the Daoist Wisdom, the occurrence of the testosterone peak is dependent on the man's age. Older guys need to go longer in between ejaculations than younger dudes.
If you're in a committed relationship and not having sex, then it's a friendship and nothing more. If you are in a relationship and a girl isn't sleeping with you, then she's using you for non sexual favours, phone calls, tell you her problems what ever and sleeping with someone else. If there is no sex there is no relationship unless you are a strict Christian or Muslim which you shouldn't be because those ancient myths should not be directing and controlling our lives in 2018 or even in 1950. What I'm trying to get at is of course you wanna have sex, sex is very good for testosterone so you can have a lot of it but not too much. Every day I am not sure but I don't think its too much. Also having sex with multiple women may do even more for your testosterone. There is nothing wrong with dating a lot of girls and having many sexual partners until you are ready to commit to that one girl. But I tell you what, no girl is looking for one guy, most girls want casual flings, so I would be screening to see if you wanna see her again rather than is she "the one". Having that mindset will make you more attractive as well, and wont scare her off either. Girls take time to choose Mr right so if you latch on too quick as she's the one she'll get scared off and see you as needy. A girl shouldn't know how much you like her. She should be working for your validation. I've been interested in increasing my test since that other thread and it looks like its been working. I pretty much changed my diet mainly. Tuna 3 times a week Salmon 4 times (its a small serve and cost $13 a week) 4 brazil nuts daily Daily yogurt 2-3 eggs a day Half an avocado Table spoon of coconut oil in the morning Tell you the truth it hasn't even been half that good but it will be starting tomorrow. They are just some things I incorporated. Potatos as well, and I will start eating colliflower and broccoli daily as well. Past couple days I been eating 3 eggs, half an avocado and other junk, and less than a week ago I got a small pimple on my face. It doesn't look bad and is a very good sign. I just jacked off now and the last fap I noticed a slightly better erection and todays was even better. I'm now going to go 100 days NoFap and 100% no porn. Change your diet man, google it, dead lift, squat, and it will increase. You take 3000 IU vitamin D, Boron and 675mg Ashwagandha. I'm looking at this as a long term thing, I'm 38 myself and I wanna increase my test and I tell you what so far so good. I definitely get the nocturnal erections too. Just with the diet you need to count calories so you don't tip the scale with all those fats. I've done that and it can take some time and effort. Make yourself a base and then you can count up your dinners one day at a time. I'm going to go grab some red grapes to snack on now. I haven't worked out how to add that to my diet though, don't know the calories so will see. I've got my calories on point but I also burn a lot with exercise so I should be losing weight. Fingers crossed.
I agree, but just because you are not ejaculating doesn't mean that you can't have sex. Mantak Chia recommends having lots frequent tantric sex, but abstaining from ejaculation except at intervals that are optimal for your age.
But why wouldn't you ejaculate? Sex is good for testosterone, it increases it. You also want to be careful not to get prostitis doing that. And for me, not blowing my load would feel frustrating, Id probably releases it later on by myself. Do you have any sources for this optimal sex for your age thing you speak of?
Of course having sex not blowing your load would be frustrating initially. However, according to Mantak Chia and 5,000 year old Daoist wisdom, when you perform the sexual health exercises that he explains in the videos, you can channel this energy/frustration, and there are massive health benefits. Personally, I have not tried any of this yet, but I am intrigued. Yes, please watch the first video posted above by Mantak Chia. The relevant part to your question starts at about 3:00 and has a slide "Golden State of Preservation of Energy". Also check out Mantak Chia's other videos on Youtube, and keep an open mind. His ideas are radically different than what I was raised with as an American.
@Chappo030891 It appears that you misread or misunderstood the post of mine that you quoted. When I said "Abstaining from PM makes total sense to me," what that means is that I do think abstinence from Porn and Masturbation is right and healthy for men. In my vernacular the modifier "total" means complete or absolute.
No we don't. Dalai Lama has been fine without that for 83 years, so has many monks. My personal record is 142 days of NoFap on hard mode. Unless you're masturbating over 20 times per day, you're not using up all the sperm your body produces for you. There are natural systems in place in our bodies for recycling unused sperm. That's a natural process taken care of by our bodies, we do not need to ejaculate. Regarding the study about an increase of testosterone after a week of sexual abstinence, I don't think that has been peer reviewed or replicated properly enough to be taken with certainty. I'm not sure, but I've heard Gary Wilson talking skeptically about that study and others. In my opinion, not fapping at all, ever, is the best path. I also find it easier to draw a line in the sand and have a clear guideline.
I think all the people posting on the Success Stories section about the benefits they see after months off PMO makes it worthwhile to at least abstain for a serious period and then decide on how to progress. I see quite a few people making up reasons to justify their desire to release, and I find myself doing it also.