Is advocating permanent abstinence from PMO "unscientific"?

It doesn't matter to me if it's healthy to masturbate. I didn't quit masturbation because of health reasons. I quit it because it is a meaningless and life-wasting act. Many use the idea that masturbation is healthy to defend their habit. The only logic to this issue I need is that I know personally what masturbating is like, no matter what science says. And also the fact that humans don't need masturbating, we invented it for self pleasure. It's like humans naturally have body hair, it isn't natural to shave it off. But we do it and it can even have health benefits, but it still isn't required. So if we don't need to masturbate, and it only makes us feel lesser, are you still going to do it because it has some health benefits? And all the health benefits masturbation has, sex definitely also has them. I think it's best that people should stop masturbating and seek to have sex. People can do whatever they wan't and I have 0 care if someone masturbates, but I know they're not striving to be the person they actually are.

 

This guy's well established, and he makes some points about M and O.

Anyway, you said that P is not the same as M, same how P is not binge-YT, or P is not binge-Netflix, or P is not drugs and smoking. But, we'd always find people trying to stop binging, not because of porn-like reward, in fact the reward-rush obtained is less, but because it's a quick fix. You'd depend on it when emotional and stressed out. Chronic procrastinators, like me understand this very well. I have nothing against O, since it's with a partner, thus qualifies as quality time. But, M doesn't only potentially lead to procrastination and overdependence, but also eventually P due to fantasizing, which in my opinion, makes M worse than binge-YT or Netflix or those other stuff I mentioned, couples with the fact that orgasms are stronger than any video on earth.

 

Well-said.

 

I think you're missing the point. Fantasizing is exactly what makes porn so powerful because without it there wouldn't be a porn industry to begin with.
Porn is just fantasy materialized. It's true though that porn is more powerful since it's more realistic and suggestive, but fantasy is the driving force in both the case of MO and PMO.

What has to be said though, is that without porn, fantasy will involve people met in one's own life, and that I think is somewhat healthier than jacking off to sex scenario's which have no connection with personal experiences. In other words, your brain can't rationalize porn the way it can rationalize its own fantasies. Therefore it's pretty obvious that MO is the lesser evil.

 

There is no data to prove masturbation is healthy or natural/normal in the first place.

The best argument against masturbation is that there are tribes where humans don't know how to masturbate and don't have a word for the act itself. Yet they have sex all night long. If masturbation was truly something natural or healthy, that tribe should not have existed. it should've wiped itself out. More so, if we look at the animal kingdom, masturbation is virtually unexistent there. The thing is the statistical normality of masturbation is massively overstated due to sampling and bias.

All things considered, masturbation just makes 0 sense.

No, you don't like this because it would mean you'd have to let go of self sexual stimulation, which is a big part of your life. My life used to literally revolve around self sex stimulation. Porn was the easy thing to let go of. Sex fantasizing was the hard one. The thing is, you get relatively the same physiological reaction from sex fantasizing, the mind just creates the scenario for you. I could get more intense scenes in my mind than porn could've provided. If you want an easy example for this, remembering a scary event in one's life will trigger a physiological reaction similar to the actual event or the sight of that event (on a video).

 

I don’t think masturbation in moderation is bad or evil. If however you masturbate so much real sex becomes impossible then yes it’s a problem. Porn to me is different. It has negative impacts across the board.

 

Science, as known to the Western World (Europe, America's etc.) is revolved around what? Statistics & numbers right? Many published studies, even though they are reporting hard facts, receive their funding for the study from companies or other agendas trying to subtly hint at one thing or another, and many times have direct conflict of interest with the field they are funding the study in.- Therefore they will skew sample bases and demographics to favorably show what the funder, or individual bias, wants to "prove". <This isn't always the case but it happens alot. example: In the 1930's western doctor's "science" recommended cigarettes as healthy. Or today how the USDA's dietary guidelines directly reflect the wishes of their biggest funders, not whats best for people's diet.
-What am i getting at? There is alot of biased tiny sample sizes that are blown out of proportion and suggest something like this "Porn and masturbation reduce domestic violence." The thing is, many of these categories are non-linear, or perhaps don't have direct correlation, but one is made regardless by omitting various factors; to favorably suggest that "porn is good" or "masturbation is healthy."
-Going beyond what statistical evidence can show. Critical thinking and self examination can be one's only truth when it comes to something like this. And many times our overthinking wraps a shroud around something that can be easily verified by individual experience. Without going into "unproven science", lets ask some critical questions to come to a conclusion.
Is masturbation necessary for survival?
Does masturbation provide an evolutionary advantage over those who don't?
Does masturbation effect one's health? *** This is the hot button issue and the reason there isn't a clear scientific article to prove yes or no is because masturbation alone isn't enough to quantify measurable amounts of health difference in an individual, and it's extremely hard to single it out as the 1 variable if it does. It is coupled with multiple factors that are near impossible to separate. (There is no control group) < Even if you found a control group confirmation bias plays out based on diet, social status, age, region, religion and more.
-Let's break this down now to what we can confirm for ourselves
Do you feel energized and pumped up after masturbation, does it help you physically become stronger or say, quicker mentally? no
After masturbating do you suddenly have more sexual options or partners to pass along your genes? nope
Is non masturbating fatal to the human existence? Nope, everyone in the world could stop tomorrow and we would all be just fine.
Is there a multi-billion dollar a year industry revolved around keeping people masturbating? yes sir

I'm not making a moral stance here, you get to judge for yourself just like everyone else. But in MY experience it has been a colossal waste of time, energy, and in other people cases, financial resources. It provides nothing of long term benefit and only a quick pleasure rush that is mere moments. It kills my libido, it weakens my immune system and more important than all of that is it throws away my time. We know we can produce more semen or make more money. But damn.. we can never ever get the time back. What we have is what we have and when it's gone and i look back on my life i'm not going to cherish all the moments i f***ed my hand. lol, i'm just not. i know that already.

So "officially" there is no scientific evidence showing masturbation is bad for you. But unofficially i think,
"Well who decides what is 'bad' for me?" -i do
And there is plenty of evidence then that P or M is bad for me, personally.

 

There's a lot of people here who fetishize nofap. If your p m or o habits are preventing you from having satisfying sex with a partner, you should stop. Otherwise, there's only psudosyllogistic arguments from people that have never studied formal logic trying to justify their preconceived religious beliefs or because they hate themselves and want to put themselves in a position where they're at war with their body over something that's quite natural.

 

Thanks for the reply. Yes, I said masturbation is bad, but I didn't say it's unhealthy. Never claimed that masturbation is unhealthy, I do believe it can have some physical health benefits. Personally, these benefits aren't enough for me to do it. And clearly, masturbation has been negatively affecting a lot of people as proven by this website. In the end, it comes down to the individual. Of course not everyone is affected badly by masturbation but you have to be absolutely honest to yourself. You know yourself if masturbation is not good for you, health benefits are irrelevant. It is hard for me to see that anyone would genuinely benefit from masturbation, based on my personal life and that of the others'. So yes, you're right that it can't be said that masturbation is bad for absolutely everybody. From now on, I'll add "personally" to when saying the habit is bad.

 

It's rather amusing though, you're doing this crusade against "unscientific" affirmations, yet you have no problem writing something like "which is just plain false. It's actually the opposite. Masturbation is very common in the animal kingdom. Most do it a lot differently than we do, because they don't have thumbs, but they do it."

Your post was exactly about your statement right here then.

 

You statements make complete sense. However, many of this forum are die hard PMO, calling it evil, unhealthy etc. without backing up their claims. All that most members see and read are people on this forum that strtuggle with it every day, giving them the idea that everyone must be addicted to it. I know people who also enjoy masturbating and watching porn from time to time, and don't have any issues with it, but those are the ones who don't post on this forum. There not really any point in trying to contradict people over here, they won't agree with you anyway.

 

Ok; let's forget personal opinions for a sec; so let's take a look at your question about the almighty science...

If you really think that science, the same science that has figured out it takes over 2 months for a sperm cell to mature yet advocates daily or weekly (p)mo to prevent prostate cancer, that science, is going to carry out a study which differentiates between fantasies involving PMO and MO to find out how they differently affect the human body, you best forget about it lmfao.

Science likes to forget about God so it can condone sin.