Vertigo/Dizziness/Off balance a withdrawal symptom?

The role of the brain in all of this can't be overstated. But that's no reason to overdose on all things YBOP. There is so much more to all of this than was let on by Gary Wilson despite the fact that he did some great work. I'd look up the work of doctors in the 19th century and many who came before them. It's my opinion that their knowledge far surpassed anything we have at our disposal today.

 

Why my lower back, around the pelvic area look disproportional? Look like blood don't reach there. All I'm hearing is cracking noise from both arm, joints and back plus Tinnitus.
Look like body eating the semen fast...

 

What i read a while back is only 1 study and it was not from gary wilson. His website was simply where i read it. Im sure there was more. I am certainly not “overdosing” on ybop. Its more of a guide so people can understand what im saying

It is interesting that you think that. I think the opposite, especially about pmo addiction. A lot of the older research is outdated and wrong.

The research also lines up with my personal experience in my case. I find the while preservation of semen to be a ridiculous topic to be fair, though it is reasonable to assume that is the problem if you don't understand.

 

I dont know you personally or your situation. It could be a million things. But if you think its pmo related then its a brain related issue or poor posture from masturbation.

I have some those same symptoms. Tinnitus can be a cause of stress. Stress is caused from quitting an addiction. The brain cant handle it.

Deficiencies in any of your neurotransmitters can cause a whole array or symptoms. People have orgasms all the time and they have no problems. Think about sex as an example. Compulsive pmo use however is different. Why? Because it overloads the brain with chemicals it would usually not be able to receive

 

The system won't allow me to respond to you. My original response (should be #18 in this thread) is still pending authorization of the moderators, and I just tried tweaking it a bit and reposting thrice, to no avail--all end up in the moderation queue. The mods have, so far, not addressed it, apparently. Maybe they're busy. No idea what keyword is triggering the system, so no idea how to sanitize the post enough for it to pass muster. Hope this post passes.

 

I had this withdrawal symptom for the first month or two of abstaining. It's hard to describe, but the best comparison I can think of is it's kind of like that disoriented feeling you get after jumping on a trampoline.

 

If not, you can always try to send it as a PM. I'd appreciate it. I'll keep an eye out here, though, just in case.

 

For whatever it's worth to you or anyone else, I remember having an exchange with Gary at one point. With respect to his life and his work, I will try to recount it as accurately as I can. I remember him essentially stating that porn was the sole problem and not masturbation or orgasming, regardless of frequency. This was somewhat easy for me to remember because of his influence on this community and his position seeming kind of controversial all things considered.

Also, I never made the claim that you, specifically, were overdosing on YBOP. And even if you are, I don't care.

I don't agree whatsoever with the standpoint that porn is the only issue. If you have reason to trust modern medicine given everything, that's your problem.

 

I'm going to try this again....

[NOTE: I'm trying again with this post. It was supposed to be #18, posted on Monday--but mysteriously got stuck awaiting moderation and flagging it for attention nearly 24 hours later got no result either. Perhaps the mods are overworked and too busy--which might be the case if this kind of error is as common as it seems. I've changed a few words in case they somehow triggered something in the system.]

If you really want to know how much you need vitamin B12, you need to test for both vitamin B12 and homocysteine levels. Not every doctor will even understand their relationship enough to recommend this, and the tests can seem a little expensive if you're economically challenged. Basically, if your homocysteine levels are high, it means that even if you have moderate levels of B12 (according to the test), you actually need considerably more.

For example:

Suppose you test for B12 levels, and the lab indicates the following ranges for it.

Normal range: 180-914
Indeterminate range: 145-180
Deficient range: < 145

Let's say you come out as having 325 pg/mL, or well into the lower reaches of "normal" according to the specified ranges. But on the same test, your homocysteine comes out as 11.02 umol/L, and its normal range is said to be 5.00-15.00. That puts your homocysteine near the top of its normal, and indicates that, even though your B12 level is supposedly within the "normal" range, it is actually undervalued.

It's a bit complicated. If you find a qualified physician, he or she can correctly interpret the lab test results, and hopefully explain them to you. The so-called "normal" ranges, in terms of medical figures, are rarely, if ever, accurate. Usually they are approximates, about as valid as a "rule of thumb." There is wide individual variance, and there are many complicating factors. Even looking at something as simple as body temperature, it becomes quickly obvious that the "normal" is actually far from accurate. If averages were taken today, the standard would likely be dropped by a full degree Fahrenheit and/or over half a degree Celsius.

 

Up to that point I was able to post before hitting an error: "Your content can not be submitted. This is likely because your content is spam-like or contains inappropriate elements. Please change your content or try again later. If you still have problems, please contact an administrator."

Well, I have tried again later, to no avail. There was absolutely zero in it that I would suspect of being "spam." Not even a link to anything.

I'll try adding the last half of the original post a little at a time and see if I can yet figure this out and/or trickle it through. This is frustrating.

 

Let's not forget that physicians are generally working with patients who are feeling abnormally. The "averages" they come up with, then, can be easily skewed toward abnormal ranges.

Vitamin B12 is safe. There is no such thing as an overdose for it. If I remember right, somewhere around 55% of people tested are shown to be deficient (and that's according to the lab standards). But it is not necessarily the key to every problem. Your gut issues may be related to something else. The first question that comes to my mind when I hear of them is to wonder if you might have a history of silver amalgam tooth fillings. These can be a cause of gastro-esophageal reflux disorder (abbreviation redacted), and can contribute to Crohn's disease, as the mercury (Hg) from these fillings, which are more Hg than silver by weight, slowly trickles into the gut from the mouth over time.

[AHA. That medical abbreviation above kicked this post into the "spam" category--I was forced to redact it. Also, using the words "doctor" and "physician" in the same context, separated by a slash, did so as well. Does NoFap really consider these medical terms to be spam?]

Again, this may not be your issue--it just comes to mind as a possibility. I am not your doctor, and certainly am not privy to your health history or lab results. To be clear, I am not a doctor, but I have considerable experience working in a medical facility and have learned much from the doctors. I sometimes regret that I did not become a doctor, as health and biology are strong interests of mine. Where I am now, all of the medical knowledge I have has often been valuable in helping people with their health questions--people largely left with few good options from the healthcare system.

I could look at a standard CBC (complete blood count) and tell you if you were likely to be deficient in vitamin B12. The MCV (mean cell volume) is the most telling. If it is much above about 88, you probably need more B12, and if it is above 94, it is near certain that you are deficient. And, again, those numbers are considered to be within the "normal" ranges for the MCV. (They might claim "normal" is between 79 and 101.)

The CBC is a standard blood test, and not expensive. But if you really want to know, get the test for B12 and get tested for homocysteine at the same time. The ratio of these will be indicative as to the relative level of deficiency for the B12. If your homocysteine levels are low, count your blessings--higher levels are indicators for heart disease and other general health issues as well. You may wish to look up these facts online. Some websites actually have good information on this. If you find the right source, you will quickly see how vitamin B12 levels and homocysteine levels are related.

[Okay. Got most of it here now. Guess it contained too much "medicalese." Maybe doctors have reason not to stick around here too much.]

 

It can definitely be a bit complicated but you've explained this well. I learned a long time ago not to fully trust medical ranges. Many of the tests I had done with a former doctor of mine placed my results within a so-called "functional range" instead and I've always thought of those as being much more accurate. Come to think of it now, I think I have old(er) lab work that has homocysteine results. Obviously they may be completely different today but it'd probably be worth my time to review the relevant paperwork just because of how similarly I feel now to how I felt back then. Obviously the smartest thing to do would be to re-test.

I appreciate the insight you've provided for me. Hopefully I'll be able to figure something out from here.

 

Except the trampoline feeling is a shorter experience.

 

Theres a big difference in trusting modern medicine and scientific based studies. I never mentioned modern medicine.

Again, all i did was make an opinion and then back it up with a study. Its so people can look for themselves.

If you want to make stronger point, you should try doing the same

 

Yeah sure brother, these are withdrawal symptoms from stress and obsessing over porn and sex.
This shouldn't scare you at all and the cure is "to practise letting go" Stop thinking about it.

This might seem hard at first, but gradually you"ll get my point. anytime you experience any such symptoms, don't stress over them, because they will merely stay for a minute, the wrong action on your behalf is to keep ruminating for longer than supposed. You should learn to break a negative loop of pattern before it starts, learn to stay calm and keep yourself calm.

Trust me brother, it's only a period and it will go. It seems very negative right now but it will toughen you up. You will get stronger after this phase believe me.

Stay hard.

 

1. This is so counter to logic and (un)common sense that it's almost to a point of being embarrassing.
2. The brain healing part is a complete and total Gary and/or YBOP regurgitation. You (also they) have ZERO evidence of this.
3. You didn't "back up" anything with a study. You merely suggested that one exists somewhere in the void... as if it's the end all / be all of studies related to PMO.

 

You seem very combative for no real reason.

 

Good observation and an even better job linking us to that study, the backup to the argument you made so confidently.

 

Id rather spend my time on here trying to help and educate people rather than argue with people, there is enough of that on here. If you want to look it up its pretty easy to find. If you don't want to believe what I say that's fine to.

 

All you did was mock the idea that something other than the brain could be harmed by PMO... with ZERO proof... while claiming you had "back up" for the claim.

Have a nice day. And maybe think twice before floating more unhelpful bullshit to people who know, from experience, that you're wrong.