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Please help me understand! Question from girlfriend trying to understand and supoort

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Kim_222, Feb 15, 2016.

  1. Kim_222

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    hi! I'm so glad I found this forum because I have so many questions. Thanks in advance for those that can help me support my boyfriend of 2 years.

    Summary:
    My boyfriend is quiet and reserved but so loving and we have a great sex life. 8 months after we started dating I saw porn on his phone while we were on holidays. I didn't mean to find the porn, but he gave me his phone and it was the first thing that showed up when I was googling. We were in Spain and he searched up Spanish maids. I was hurt that he would do that while I was out, but realized I hadn't talked to him about porn so I let it go. He said he didn't know why he went on and was going to stop because he wanted to. I supported him but told him not to do it for me. He said he didn't know why he watched because we have sex so often and reassured me how attractive I am and whatnot. I assumed he watched when he was bored.

    I researched porn and wanted to support him. I didn't want him lying about it though because that's not fair to either of us. I don't want to be with a liar.
    We talked and talked over the weeks and he said he'd stopped watching. He didn't take any special measures though so I assumed he set himself up to fail. I'd ask him every so often and he would say he hadn't watched. I started to feel bad because he said he didn't masterbate at all when he didn't watch. I didn't rele believe him but just let it go. Awhile later there were weird sites on his phone but no porn. I let it go and he still insisted he wasn't watching. Just recently I saw porn on his phone. I like to think that I'm a pretty ubderstanding person, but I'm very hurt that he lied to me over and over again. It created other lies and ruined moments where we were close and talking about things that he would've been lies. One lie lead to 30 other lies. I'm sure some ppl understand.

    I asked him if he's lied about other things and gave him a chance to come clean. He insisted it was his first time watching since the last time but I knew that wasn't true. He finally admitted to doing it once a month and then after lying and lying he said it was about once a week. I was not mad at him for going on. I was so happy he was honest and really want to support him but I still feel betrayed. I just don't want to be with a liar. We both feel closer to each other than any other partner and have sex at least once a day sometimes twice.

    Because he was honest I forgave him and started doing my research on how to support him. I don't want to be with a liar and if he's going to watch I think he should be honest about it if I'm understanding. I almost left him because I don't like the feeling of being lied to. It makes me nervous and changes who I am.

    I don't want to sell him short though because he is so good to me in every other way (that I know at least) and has definitely made us and our family life his priority.

    Anyways when we started dating he used to cum really fast. He still does but sex is A little longer (he's 27).

    This time when he stopped watching porn, he asked me to put a blocker on his phone (qustodio) so that I would have the peace of mind knowing he's being honest and open. I didn't want to but he really insisted. I thought that it might be a cry for help so I did it. He insists he wants to change for himself.

    This was 3 weeks ago ans the other day he wasn't able to urinate after sex. It was uncomfortable but finally came out about 30 minutes later. Also, we can usually have back to back sex, but there was one time he couldn't cum the second time. It felt great and I didn't say anything to him about it.

    This is very unusual. And another time he couldn't cum at all (drinking though but still very unusual)

    He said he didn't know why this was happening. I'll add that I'm a very sexual person too and watch porn myself from time to time. I don't rele lately since all of this stuff started happening though.

    He always tells me how much he loves our sex life and I believe him. Also, I've offered to watch porn with him and he does NOT want to do that. He wants to stop he said he doesn't even know why he watches. (I'm guessing the increase indopamine levels) and because he's bored and turned on.

    I've tried to find his triggers that turn him on, but don't want to nag him with a bunch of questions about what he likes because he just says he likes it when I'm going down and that everything I do drives him crazy. I would love to find out what turns him on the most tho so I can really understand him and please him.

    This whole experience has made me feel bad about myself. Not as much anymore since I understand things better, but it's still hard to change my views on this.

    My questions are:
    do you think him not watching porn is the reason he is having a hard time cunning or the reason he is lasting longer? He insists he never thought of other ppl while we were doing things. He was adamant about this. But it seems strange he is taking longer now.

    - do you think he is quitting for himself? And if he is quitting for me, will it last? I don't want him to do anything for me. I just want honesty

    -any other reasons why he would suddenly not cum as fast as he used to?

    -Do you think that he was really only going on porn once a week or so, or would it be more often and he's just afraid to tell me. I don't want any more lies.

    -he's said he hasn't been tempted yet and he's trying to figure out his triggers but hasn't yet. It's been 3 weeks. Is this believable not to be tempted?

    -I'm worried he'll continue to lie even though he was so happy that I was supporting him and promised to be there. He cried and cried and told me how much closer this has made us and thanked me for understanding. I truly believe he thinks that it will hurt my feelings if he slips up and he hates confrontation. Would this cause the never ending cycle to continue? Thoughts on this?

    I'm reaching out to you guys because I don't want to nag him and try to read his mind. I will be able to take your answers and ask him the right questions. I'm trying to support him and nagging will push him away and make him feel uncomfortable talking to me.

    Any help would be very much appreciated.


    Thank you!!!
     
  2. cubs2516

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    Yes I think him not watching porn is the reason he is lasting longer and/or having a hard time cumming. As I've learned from stories on this site and from personal experience, abstaining from porn initially lessons or turns off a guys libido. Here's why; the human brain thinks watching porn is the same as having sex. Usually when males watch porn they watch more videos and think that each girl they watch they are having sex with. So this creates ALOT of dopamine and other "feel good" neurotransmitters. In your boyfriends case, if he automatically just turns off porn (which his brain has become conditioned to think is real sex) it will be hard to achieve that large amount of dopamine with you (only one person). Since he can't achieve that built up level of dopamine with just you, his sexual performance may decline initially as he brain restores back to its normal default settings. This isn't an insult or anything, it's just the truth and it is why porn is so destructive and addictive. The good news is that eventually from abstaining from porn his brains "reward center" will return to normal, he will be able to have sex normally with you again. Let me reiterate, you should NOT feel bad about yourself if he can't cum fast or whatever, just be happy he is abstaining from porn to get back to having great sex again. For your second question, he should be quitting porn for HIMSELF. Because porn is so addictive, it can really fuck up everything about one's life, not just relationships. If he doesn't realize this, then show him this website. Every single male on earth should not watch porn as it is specificically design to make us addicted and fuck up our heads. Please show him this website, I'm speaking from personal experience and from anecdotes i've read on this website. As far as if he had been rented or been watching porn more than once a week... I really don't know. It depends on how long and how frequent he has watched porn. For example, if he has watched porn for 10 yrs than he will certainly feel tempted because he is surely addicted. Do u know how long he has been watching porn? If you want him to be honest with you, best advice I can give you is to show him this website. Let him see how disruptive porn is for so many young men. Once he sees this, I'm sure he will come clean and live a life of honesty with you and with your support he will be able to overcome his porn addiction. It seems like u guys have a great relationship, please don't let something like porn ruin it. If u want him to be open with u, be open with him. It works both ways. Tell him that u want him to overcome this problem for himself and your relationship that u cherish greatly. I'm sure u guys will overcome this together. Best of luck!!
     
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  4. DannyCool

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    http://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-day-my-marriage-changed.58811/ this link might be much better and suitable for your immediate situation. The answer in the second post seems like something very well expressed. It also occurred to me that your boyfriend is arousing himself with his phone just so that you both can have great sex together. Whether you move onto to freeing yourselves from objectification is up to you and is a long term goal and I suspect you are both still in your twenties right? Having said that addiction to porn and sex can get worse and it maybe better to work towards a way to connect that does not need more and more excitement. Anyway as you can see from this forum he is not the only one caught by this addiction so give him the time and space he needs to stop. All the best. :)
     
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  5. Kim_222

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    Thank you for taking the time to respond!! Both of you.
    I read through both of those threads @DannyCool. I'm going to continue to support him. Im finding that it's affecting my nerves when I leave him home alone. Almost like I don't know what he's upto so I assume the worst. He has that porn blocker app on his phone but I still don't feel at ease when if I decide to go out with a friend or run errands. As weird as that sounds. Part of me feels anxious and it's constantly on my mind so I don't enjoy myself. I don't think I'm worried about the porn I'm mostly anxious about the lying. I'm really hoping it will stop now and He's promised it will. I've set my "how much I am willing to take if this doesn't change' boundaries but it would be really hard to leave him because unlike other relationships, we spend so much time together. I used to be so independent and have tons of friends but I've really settled down in the last year or so. He loves spending quality time together, more so than any other bf. Always puts us and my son first. Always. I appreciate that but I'm finding it harder to want to leave his side lately. We do still have time apart and we don't bicker or fight often. things were pretty rosy before this actually! We live in Canada and traveled to la, Spain, Amsterdam, and all over last year. We're both in our late 20's and have decent jobs. But ugh I hate how porn makes everything feel so uncertain!! Like he could ruin things at any moment!

    Anyways, thanks for listening!!
     
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  6. Kim_222

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    @MaKa thanks for sharring. Danny cool posted a link to your thread and I can totally relate.
     
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  7. MaKa

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    It's definitely not a picnic in the park, that's for sure. I'm sorry your going through this. Know that you're certainly not alone. Feel free to vent, or ask questions anytime. There is so much help and support, and tons of great people available to help in this group. Don't ever hesitate to reach out, Best wishes to you...sending hugs!
     
  8. about a girl

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    I can certainly relate .... I feel very anxious and cannot enjoy myself outside in the world like I used to .... The lies and being deceived for so long .... I hate feeling like this :'(
     
  9. IamMike

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    This is an excellent and important topic, thanks for raising @Kim_222

    I'll share some of my experiences:

    do you think him not watching porn is the reason he is having a hard time cunning or the reason he is lasting longer? He insists he never thought of other ppl while we were doing things. He was adamant about this. But it seems strange he is taking longer now.
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    -Do you think that he was really only going on porn once a week or so, or would it be more often and he's just afraid to tell me. I don't want any more lies.


    For me personally, it is the opposite although I do not disagree with @cubs2516 input above. This is assuming that masturbation is accompanying the porn. Masturbation is a main factor that desensitizes the genitals as various grips etc applied with a pressure greater than the pressure from a virgina. Desensitized genitals means delayed ejaculation. Also, with habitual porn, your fantasy eventually lives in your head and not so much right in front of you/reality. He could very well be fantasising about you in his head while he's having sex with you as a result. When I abstain from porn for a while I do have a period when my libido is lower but I also notice after a while my penis sensitising again and my erections are stronger. After 3 weeks of stopping I had no issues, don't get discouraged though.

    Some observations you can make make:
    - Do you notice him closing his eyes and "focusing" while he's having sex with you? He could be "still in his head".
    - If you haven't had sex in a day or two, and when you do and he's taking long to come. Have a glimpse at the amount he came. If its "smaller amount than usual" then he may still be masturbating behind the scenes.

    - do you think he is quitting for himself? And if he is quitting for me, will it last? I don't want him to do anything for me. I just want honesty
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    -I'm worried he'll continue to lie even though he was so happy that I was supporting him and promised to be there. He cried and cried and told me how much closer this has made us and thanked me for understanding. I truly believe he thinks that it will hurt my feelings if he slips up and he hates confrontation. Would this cause the never ending cycle to continue? Thoughts on this?


    I quit mainly for myself. You have to quit for yourself otherwise its less likely to be sustainable. See, if I value my relationship and I want to have great sex with my partner, this itself becomes an intrinsic motivator for me to stop as porn just isn't worth it when you have someone amazing. It sounds like he values you, your child and the relationship and he wants it to work out, he knows you don't like it and he understands why, so that becomes a motivator for him. But that doesn't mean he does not have his struggles and after a moment of weakness he may be ashamed, beat himself up about it, and thus tempted to "beat around the bush" or lie. This could also be a reason why he doesn't want to watch with you.

    -any other reasons why he would suddenly not cum as fast as he used to?
    Would you describe your sex life as "routine"? Have you tried possibly spicing things up on your side? Maybe spontaneously doing one of his healthy fantasies?

    -he's said he hasn't been tempted yet and he's trying to figure out his triggers but hasn't yet. It's been 3 weeks. Is this believable not to be tempted?

    There are always temptations, but it depends whether one entertains those thoughts are not. Fortunately, he has you, your support and you still have sex together. He has the sexual outlet which can make recovery from porn (an hence rewiring from the fantasy in the head to reality) faster and more probable.


    In essence, porn sucks for relationships and men have their struggles. its a marathon not a sprint. I think its great that you're open minded, supportive and I think you've got this!
     
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  10. Kim_222

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    Wow great feedback!!! My answers are noted below..

    Thank you for taking the time to respond. It really made a difference in my day! You're wonderful.
     
  11. IamMike

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    Great. Let me know how it goes @Kim_222
     
  12. Rav70

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    Until he quits using porn you will never know his true sexual turn ons trust me.
    As my boyfriend is at about week 10 now of no p or m his desire for kink is at about nil now. He desires passionate kisses and intense intimate sex. A total turn around from him wanting me to peg him.
    My bf had DE from too much porn and m not less porn.
    Do what that one guy said when you skip sex a few days then have it check his spunk. My boyfriend's spunk use to be thin, small amount and no scent or taste. Now it's totally the opposite.
    The clues to finding out the truth are there. The guys rarely tell the truth sadly until they hit rock bottom.
     

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