***(DOCTORS SAY MASTURBATION IS A HEALTHY ACTIVITY) ***

No idea what you mean, but I didn't say it wasn't addictive. In general, I think porn is problematic because it caters unnaturally to our inbuilt desire for 'bigger hits'. But masturbation isnt necessarily porn. The limitations of our imaginations act as good automatic stabilisers.

I agreed there were people with porn and masturbation problems. We're here aren't we? I just don't think this means that ALL masturbation is bad, or even that it would be bad for more than a small subset of people.

Sure. Not certain this disagrees with what I said.

You think alcohol isn't addictive? Ok, I'm going to have to stop you there. That's an absurd claim. There is a legitimate debate as to whether porn is a public health issue. I happen to think it is - with current societal understanding I think it's too easy for people, young people especially, to abuse it without awareness of the consequences. But if you were to attempt to argue it's a bigger public health issue than alcohol? You'd be laughed out every forum you apoke at. Saying porn is more addictive than alcohol is like saying the flu is worse than ebola. One is bad, and potentially life threatening, the other destroys societies. You know, that was a weak analogy. But, ah, I'm too tired to change it.

Anyway, my point is, I'm not trying to belittle whatever problems you're having with porn or masturbation. Believe me, you're preaching to the choir. I just warn against generalizing that masturbation is therefore inherently bad. It's bad for you. And me. But not everyone. Or even most people.

 

Healthy masterbation is totally normal but masterbation to really graphic dirty porn 24/7 is not

 

The madness of the science-religion. Ignore your own experience and what you know because it's only real if you have a scientific source.

-Ape's have the same amount of chromosomes as man [ I read online this used to be a claim made by science up till the 1950's despite them knowing it wasn't the case]

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Piltdown Man They kept this forgery around for over 4 decades until it became inconvenient to their latest line of bullshit.

Organic food [ IT"S NOT grown without pesticide you are being ripped off]

The soy craze [ the soy people were eating was downright toxic ]

Saturated fats we were told they were bad. Meat fat, butter why the fuck would they be unhealthy but science says so. Now it's revealed that saturated fat is healthy, duh. As well we were told vegetable oils were healthy. Heavily processed crap that was never meant to be an oil processed with chemicals that you can tell is toxic in 5 minutes if you listen to your body, but no science said it's healthy so it is until science says otherwise. I think we were even told margarine [ processed crap] was healthier than butter, lol.



I just had a 12-hour fapathon, and I feel like shit! Hand is sore, physically I'm drained, I have anxiety paranoia, and had a very noticeable effect on my mental health.

 

@Themadfapper I acknowledge science isn't perfect. Sometimes "scientists" have biases or alterior motives that prevents them from being effective at their job. Thus, I think it's the responsibility of people to examine the source of information carefully.

That being said, the point of science is to get objective, statistically validated information to answer questions. Sometimes that's not always possible, and there's room for error, but more often than not, it's better than our hunches or generalizing personal experiences. You've found some great counterexamples, but if we alway went off intuition, listened to our bodies, and rejected science in terms of our own experience, it would make more sense to think the world is flat, that using opium is healthy, and that airplanes can't exist because men aren't meant to fly.

No doctor or scientist is saying that a 12 hour masturbation session is healthy. No one is asking you to do something that violates your personal experience or denying that there are exceptions and outliers to scientific studies, but saying that your personal experience overrides science is the other extreme.

 

Lol.

First of all, we were talking about sperm earlier, not semen. Those are two different things. Second, the prostate still isn't "between your ribs and backbone". So your argumentation is pointless here.

No, sperm is not the sexual hormon. For men the sexual hormones are androgenes (most importnant one being testosterone) and for women the sexual hormones are estrogen and progestogen.

I'm not ignoring my experience. I'm also not ignoring the experience of others. I just don't believe everything someone tells me without experiencing it myself or having solid evidence. That's all. If you can't tolerate that, that's your problem, not mine. Simple as that.

I read that. It basicially is only about a fight about wordings in the quran. Nothing that backs up your claims.

 

I disagree. If you have "personal experience" and if you also have expertise that is better than book knowledge. There may be cases where it is not the case, but for example. Fats [ the food source] I could have listened to science all my life and stayed away from saturated fat and ate canola and other vegetable oils [ I believe it was that health craze that lead to them changing the oil used in restaurants. Now I get to feel like shit whenever I eat out, lol] Or like I did I just listened to my stomach and it was very obvious that the vegetable oils were/are bad for my digestion, and the so-called bad fat sources were quite fine. I'm no expert and was not involved with it, but from what I know the whole reason for science perpetrating that lie was financial.


With Masturbation, it's even worse. Masturbation is a social issue and society is pushing sexual immorality and has been for a long time. Social science is the worst. It's not only utter crap, but that is going down a dark path. Why do I think it's a dark path? What the hell does science have to do with social issues? Now we got this infallible priesthood [science] telling us what is the best way to live, what is moral. They are having far too much influence over people, IMO. It should be common sense that science has no answers for social issues, yet people don't see this and follow it blindly, even the most obvious lies.


Science = the establishment. They are not known for being honest. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool 10,000x?


P.S

I got nothing against science. Chemistry, biology, physics[ the known stuff, not the crazy theoretical stuff]. I liked that stuff when I was younger and wish I could have studied it.

 

I think in today world many scientist are not researching with free mind.They only want to prove that ancient literature is completely wrong and therefore the semen retention is completely wrong in their view.
May be one day they will realise the power of semen.

 

That's not true, I know a man who got prostate cancer despite having been sexually active. That man was my dad.

And in fact, masturbation is known by the enlightened doctors to INCREASE the risk of prostate cancer. It is well-known that MO causes a deficiency of essential minerals in your body, e.g. zinc, magnesium and phosphorus. It can't be any good to drain those things from your body continuously. Masturbation might not cause blindness or insanity in every case, but you'd be surprised how many mental patients' health problems are caused directly from excessive semen loss.