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Rejected by wife

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by ParvusSapentia, Jun 10, 2017.

  1. Jason911

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    First of all, great work on your streak/reboot! Secondly, the pain in your wife runs deep. You know this. You're doing the best you can, and that's all you can do. Marriages can be restored, and trust can rise again! I am a Christian, so I come at this from a biblical perspective. Can I recommend, even though you aren't religious, a reading of I Corinthians 13? It is affectionately referred to by many as 'the love chapter'. Even if you don't own a Bible, just google "I Corinthians 13 NIV" and you'll find it. Maybe print it out or write it out or even keep it in a memo on your phone. It'll help you remember why you're doing what you're doing. You are doing the hard work to restore yourself, and that is painful, brother. I just want to encourage you to 'keep on keeping on'. Keep doing what you're doing. Don't give up, ever. We here at NoFap are just a click away.
     
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  2. Um, if she acts like that instead of being supportive. .I think its more complicated. The way she acts is a bit on the wrong side...I ve heard many wives being supportive to their husbands, ready to help them as much as possible. Yours acts a bit too harsh. I dont know...nobody is perfect. .and she should understand that, and if she loves you should change her behaviour soon.
     
  3. ParvusSapentia

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    She doesn't love me, that's the problem.

    Please don't respond saying I'm blaming the SO - I admit that porn was a problem in our relationship. I should have long ago gave that up and dealt directly with my wife's rejection and withdrawal. Mine is not one of the cases where I had a willing partner waiting for me. Our sex life for the past 10 years existed only because of my persistence. It would be 3 or 4 months in between unless I asked every day (rejected 90% of the time). Even cuddles were rejected!

    I many times initiated conversations about the lack of intimacy and sexual interest on her part... to which she would just get angry, and invalidate my needs and emotions. The endless rejection hurt me so much, was a trigger to bury my head in a Pmo quicksand.

    What I'm starting to realize the further behind me porn gets, she is using this as an excuse to avoid looking in the mirror or admitting any fault in our relationship or examining why she hates herself so much that she is afraid of being loved.

    Our relationship has now reached the point where when I tried to hug her the other day she said 'ew' and pushed me away.

    I'm at my wits end, trying to be patient but it's been months with no sex or any type of intimacy. And she is telling me she will never be with me or want me again.

    I want out so I can be happy but she is insistent that she wants to stay married and see other people! I don't know how to live like this, on my way to work but just feel like laying in bed crying.

    I'm trying to focus on the love of my children and taking care of them and myself but honestly living with someone who hates me is slowly destroying my will to keep living. It's also warping me so that I'm starting to hate her! She is so full of anger and rage and takes it out on me and the kids.

    One moment at a time. I know who I want to be, and porn is not a part of it.
     
  4. this sounds absolutely heart wrenching for you. You guys are in an emergency situation, especially if the kids are receiving the abuse.
    Alls i can say is i wish the best possible outcome for you all and that it happens as soon as possible. Life is meant for living. IF you are feeling suicidal over all this stimulus then this is very serious. Are you seeing a marriage counsellor or therapist?
     
  5. ParvusSapentia

    ParvusSapentia Fapstronaut

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    Thanks for your response and concern!

    Suicide isn't an option, I could never leave those two little people without a loving father.

    Despair comes and goes. I am stuck for the moment, and I'm trying to put forth as much effort as I can to be positive and calm, but often I leave the house in the morning deflated from the effort.

    I've been in therapy for a few months now, but im seeking a new therapist who is more active in cbt so that the sessions are something more than just venting.

    Wife has been in therapy and on medication for depression and anxiety for several years not that it's helped much... if anything it's gotten worse over time (and I acknowledge my Pmo problem has made it worse and prevented me from supporting her as much as I could have).

    We are supposed to see a marriage counselor near the end of the month. I suspect that will finalize the fact that our marriage is over ...

    I'm ready build a new marriage together, but it's going to take the two of us and a lot of work. I honestly don't think she's up for it, in which case I'm going to keep loving her while I work to end our marriage with as much dignity as possible.
     
  6. kattskagg

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    This is so sad. Not just the fact that you're an porn addict, but how your wife is behaving! I can understand that she doesn't like that fact, but are you sure the only reason she doesn't love you is due to porn or is it something else? Did she know about your habit when she first started to reject you from cuddling etc? You've been off porn for almost 90 days but she doesn't understand what achievement that is, hell she doesn't even want to know!


    Kattskägg
     
  7. ParvusSapentia

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    She doesn't care any more about whether or not I look at porn. She's encouraged me to find another woman and has joined many dating sites and apps.

    She wants to stay married in some twisted form of marriage where we live essentially as roommates. So I can pay her bills for next decade and our kids can grow up twisted by this bitterness? I can't let that happen!

    Me looking at porn started long before I met her. She knew about it when we were dating, and her hatred and distrust is my own fault for making promises to her and not keeping them. I didn't think it was a big deal or see how it hurt her and was a barrier to true intimacy until recently.

    I think she is using my porn use as a way to avoid the fact that two people are at fault when a relationship crumbles. Fact is she hasn't been interested in me for a long long time. She doesn't take care of herself in any way, and hasn't put a second of energy into our relationship since the kids came along. She doesn't care if Im happy or have a bad day, and just rolls her eyes and says I'm dramatic if I express emotional needs.

    I am a good husband and father. I've supported her for 12 years including a full decade with two difficult pregnancies and two rounds of postpartum depression. I got a vasectomy so she wouldn't have to face that again.

    Though it hasn't been easy we have shared so much joy!!! She can't see any of it, hates her life and is definitely suffering from depression, though she claims she's not at all depressed, just miserable to be with me! Our whole life together was a mistake?!?

    I admit I used to play video games and look at porn to escape my problems. I also got hooked on that surge of energy and numbness, and it made me feel alive if only for a minute... but it's empty and I'm done with pixels.

    She told me on April 28th that she didn't love me anymore and would never touch me again. I haven't played a video game or looked at porn since.

    I've told myself I'd give it a year... I'm hanging on but I'm coming to realize that I may have to end our marriage so at least one of us can find happiness.

    Not what I want but but I can only change myself. I am moving in the right direction, even if no one but an anonymous crowd of strangers can see it.

    Thanks sorry for the long winded response.
     
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  8. Kenzi

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    You mean, so you BOTH can be happy.

    And there are laws about alimony

    Just FYI.
    Don't get talked into something just because of pressure or you think it's going to help the kids or whatever.
    Alimony and spousal support doesn't go to the kids.
    That's what child support is for.
     
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  9. Kenzi

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    And in case it wasn't clear, if she wants bills paid, that's where I got alimony.
     
  10. ParvusSapentia

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    Agreed I honestly want what's best for my family - of which she will always be a part.

    During a few moments of clarity we promised that if things go the way they seem to be going we won't let it get ugly and will try to do a mediated divorce. Reconciliation or amicable parting is the only way forward for us. We will split it all down the middle including 50/50 parenting time with the kids.

    Mass law changed a few years ago, basically the fact that she's been home with the kids doesn't automatically qualify her for alimony... she has 3 years of college and worked as a graphic designer for a decade. Just because she is willing to work minimum wage doesn't entitle her to any of my income. Child support is based on child custody so if I have the kids half of the time, we both have to equally contribute.

    I'll work like a dog to make sure they have everything they need... but I've bought enough designer jeans (I counted last week 112!!!)
     
  11. Brockfoor9

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    If I may add my opinion and advice:

    Your wife seems likes she's had problems with herself and your relationship before porn may or may not became a problem. In a healthy relationship a man should not have to always beg and initiate for sex and cuddles from his wife. To me, that shows your intimacy was already having issues. All of his I'm sure you know by now.

    But, the fact that she is already suggesting living as roommates and joining dating sites to me says she is checking out. At this point, I would let her go and there is no way in hell I would live like that!! Coming from divorced parents, it's better for you to splice than to have your kids see the toxicity in front of their eyes or wonder why mom and dad now are seeing other people.

    I truly am sorry for your situation. If I can say, porn definitely didn't help your marriage, but it is definitely not THE reason your marriage is failing as it seems. It's taking the heat, but other factors are clearly in play.

    Let me know if I can help you in any way!!
     
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  12. Spiff

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    I think sometimes in this section of the forum we forget that both parties in the relationship are humans and prone to being flawed. I agree with the SO's that deceptive porn watching is absolutely wrong, no question. On this forum we only focus on that one issue - and we forget that people and relationships are complicated and that often there's enough problems to go around. Sounds like she's eager to move on with these dating sites - maybe revealing that her motivations are more complex than just being disgusted by your betrayal.

    I know that's how it is in my relationship. I've been dishonest with my wife, she's been dishonest with me. I've been a jerk and so has she. We've both messed up and we both forgive and move forward.

    Using your kids as some sort of leverage against your spouse is worse than any amount of PMO. Her attitude towards you can not be justified in any way. There's a decent way of asking for space and there's a spiteful way of asking for space. From what I've read - her problems may be more serious than yours.

    Go on, do your thing - quit porn forever. Improve yourself and be good to your kids and treat your wife kindly, no matter what she says or does. I hope it works out between you two, but I wouldn't take what she's dishing out laying down. Respectfully tell her that nobody should talk to another person in that manner - much less two people whose lives are as intertwined as yours. Respectfully tell her that your kids are not pawns in her game.

    You can't always help other people - but you can continue to do your best.
     
  13. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Take pictures of the jeans and keep photos of the dating websites in her name.
    Evidence so you don't get screwed.
    I spend enough time in court... Believe you me, words mean nothing without evidence to back it up.


    Hold it
    ... Just in case


    Call it the
    Break in case of emergency, box
     
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  14. ParvusSapentia

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    I had a legal consultation back in May, they told me to start a journal and collect evidence I find.

    The killer was finding tinder on the old iPhone my wife gave my 7 year old daughter...

    I'm not going there unless it's last resort. I will love her always and can forgive nearly everything. I also don't have to eat sh1t because I found a really horrible coping strategy, nor do I have to live the rest of my life celibate and without love.

    Time and patience. And lots of sweat, gym is only thing keeping me going!
     
  15. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    I just see many many guys who get it all together paperwork wise and then because of one teeny thing, they lose.
    When they had the chance they did not get it together..
    I advise women and men the same.
    Get evidence.
    Court is he said, she said.
    You do not want to be up there talking.
    You want it to be whatever the evidence says.
    That's what the judge will really see.
    And go with.
    They will decide before both of you even get up to say "your honor"
    The rest is formality.
    Have the best case presented.
    Simple.
     
  16. ParvusSapentia

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    Thanks for the excellent advice. I've been taking notes of any situation hat involves something not quite right, including pictures etc. I'm reluctant to get into negative territory... I'll have to see this woman for the rest of my life, grandkids included.

    Very much hope this doesn't become adversarial, could easily errode the few assets we have.

    The thing I'm stuck on is trying to make it work. My dad told me that love is a choice. I chose my wife for a reason, and still choose her.

    I am trying to be patient in the hope that she is still reeling in pain and will wake up one day and see all we have... but at the same time I'm trying to protect myself emotionally and with evidence (credit cards in particular will show a serious spending habit... I'm talking 70 grand over past 5 years).

    I also am running out of patience. I will not let hatred infect me or especially my children... and it seems to be getting worse not better.
     
  17. Can you describe what you need from the relationship and also what she needs from it? Because if two people can fully hear what the other person wants and needs then the solution will usually present itself. KOW
     
  18. ParvusSapentia

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    Great questions! If possible I'll ask my wife this when we go to therapy.

    I have no idea what she needs other than for me to stop existing... She doesn't want anything from me other than my paycheck and getting a break from parenting.

    I know what I need, and it's a loving partner. I need intimacy, and someone who desires me. I need someone who is capable of being my full partner and who will work as hard as I do to build our future. Someone who is interested in me, who feels bad when I have a hard day, someone who is happy for me and celebrates my victories. Someone who listens to me and doesn't judge.

    None of that exists in my marriage. I've tried to explain throughout the years what I needed, but either ended in a fight, tears or ridicule.

    I'm trying to be patient, I promised to love her for life.... but honestly I don't see any of my needs ever being met by her. She acknowledged this and is completely fine with being roommates for the next decade, and encouraged me to find someone else because she is either too scared to change or incapable of giving me anything.
     
  19. kattskagg

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    How can you promise something like that, are you talking about the vows? Didn't she also promise to love you no matter what? Well matter of fact, she broke that promise.

    Seems you've changed, earlier post was all about blaming yourself and most people supported that idea, which got me really worried. Now you understand that she's responsible as well, if porn is the only reason she's being a total jerk, she would be supportive now, maybe not super happy but still show some kind of interest, at least sometimes. Instead she uses you're former behavior, making a mountain out of a molehill by saying it's cheating. Would you say to an alcoholic that he's cheating his wife by drinking without her knowing it, or if the wife eats candy when he's out of the house, even though she said she would quit because of her health issues, is she cheating as well?

    As you wrote recently, I think she has bigger problems than your porn habit, but using it to not have to take care of the real problems she's having. Victim mentality. Leaving you and get a new boyfriend won't solve any of her underlying issues. As for you, maybe finding someone new might help but staying off porn is the best you can do I believe. But for now, I think that focusing on yourself, your porn rehab and maybe exercise and a hobby while stop taking shit from her is the way to go. Stop giving her attention, be "cold" and find happiness from your kids and things not involving her. Doing it will hopefully force her to either leave you or get herself together and wanting to fix this.

    Hope everything works out for you, promise me you'll keep on posting about your relationship. I will follow your story.


    Kattskägg
     
  20. GG2002

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    Can I ask did you have the problem with porn before you met? Often times men are rejected for sex by the women they are with for reasons outside the bedroom or because quite honestly the sex is not enjoyable for them. Many if not most pmo addicts are very selfish in bed and treat sex basically like moing to a partner. They may not even know they are doing it. I was always an initiator in past relationships but I enjoyed the sex. With my current partner I did not enjoy sex as there was no intimacy. All I'm saying is look to the reasons why she may have rejected you. You can only fix your own behavior. Focus on that. It may feel better to pass around bland but it's counter productive. If you were a pmo addict your entire relationship you were incapable of having a fulfilling sex life and deprived her of one.
     

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