12-step Program?

Hey man. I have a beard. And I'm a nurse lol. I also have worked the AA program (relapsed a year ago and struggling to get back into total sobriety). I have also dabbled with SA (sexaholics anonymous), SLAA (sex and love addict anonymous), and SAA (sex addicts anonymous). The difference between each one is how they define sobriety. SA defines sobriety as no sex outside of your marriage, including if you are dating. They also hold that sex is only for one man and one woman in marriage. You will find the most sobriety, guys struggling with same sex stuff in marriages, and PMOers. I highly recomend SA meetings over any other group. It is the most serious and full of the most "normal" guys. SLAA is the only place that I have seen women. The groups were smaller. You defined your own sobriety lines to not cross and no one had over a year. I don't know how the meetings even stay going... SAA is like SA, but I guess it is where you can draw your own sobriety lines here too. Very low success and a lot of gay men. Hope that helps man! Private message me if your interested in talking. We are really close in our sober time too.

 

Gone to SA. It's awesome!! Highly recommend. The 12 step is a powerful program. If there is one in your area give it a go.

 

First, you're not at all required to believe in God to attend SA. Your "higher power" can be anything. It's taken as a concept there rather than a reality.
Secondly, your understanding of Christianity is a bit limited. The Catholic perspective on this is far more nuanced than you think. There are sects that see it as black and white - and perhaps that was the way your parents were - but that ridiculous (your word and you're right) scenario you describe certainly doesn't accurately encapsulate the Catholic understanding.

 

I can't speak to the effectiveness of 12 steps as its not avaliable in my area.

However i will say pmo is a symptom rather than a cause.

Working with a therapist is helping ne a lot, so thats a solid option, but try 12 steps if its avaliable and you think it will help. Being proactive and seeking solutions is a must.

 

Ok. I think i speak for all of Christendom when i reaffirm the statement your understanding of Christianity is very sophomoric...at least as you present it here and coupled with the statement "my understanding of Christianity is near perfect." It's laughably naive.

 

I'm fiercely committed to my local SAA fellowship. I routinely go to 5-6 meetings per week.

The truth is that PMO addiciton is nothing more than a specific type of sex addiction. At the base level, PMO addicts are acting out via sexual behavior. Fundamentally, they are no different than men who are addicted to prostitutes, strip clubs, sexual personal ads, infidelity, etc.

I would 100% encourage you to find a local meeting and check it out. Online forums like NoFap are great and all ... but there's nothing like sitting in a room of flesh-and-blood human beings, sharing your story, and seeing them all nod their heads because they can totally relate. It does wonders in reducing the shame of this addiction.

 

Yes, for example a stone which you could have trust in and pray for. Or a cat..... Egiptians already believed in it.

 

Ah, been there many times. I do understand how incredibly obnoxious Christians can be. I used to attend a "nondenominational" Christian church. The parishioners were encouraged to think they had this Christianity thing dialed, that everyone who didn't believe as they do were going to hell, that they were free to determine who is saved and who is not. For me, it was arrogant and spiritually crippling. The greatest indicator in these Churches of Christ's blessing was the growth of the Church. So, to be a "good" Christian was to be outgoing and charismatic. Ha! (Oh, and Catholics can be equally obnoxious too - not trying to imply otherwise.)

I would only hope here to open your mind to the possibility that your knowledge of Christian Philosophy (granted, I have a very limited exposure to your thoughts) sounds limited to MODERN Christian Philosophy. The Ancient Christian churchs such as Catholicism and Eastern Orthodox leave a lot more room for this little thing called Grace. Also, in these ancient Churches there is a greater appreciation for the "mystery" of Christ, and our position with respect to Him. At least that has been my experience having attended both types of Churches for decades.