10 reasons why Jesus cannot be God

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  1. I'm technically not Roman Catholic or Orthodox or rather... not officially so. I was brought up in an Anglican church attended a Catholic early school and a Baptist High School. Ive actually never not believed in transubstantiation and when I discovered in adulthood that everyone didn't believe this I was shocked. Slowly I have begun to realise that many .... teachings in the Catholic and Orthodox expressions of Christianity are correct. And because I listen to both sides ... I've often remarked that they are both ... on some issues... saying the same things.

    I hope I didn't seem to harsh on Superman25... my intention was to let him know in clear terms that the teaching He has received is false. The Bible must be spiritually discerned and the carnal mind cannot comprehend it on its own. We apply reason to the scriptures but reason guided by the Holy Spirit knowing that our faculties are limited. Humility is key. If any of us are puffed up in the pride of knowledge then we have failed to attain to the first level of Christian Faith. I encourage our brother Superman25 to continue to search the scriptures and not to just follow blindly what others say. The Spirit of God will teach you. God bless.
     
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  2. Max Fisher

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    Well said. I like your approach.
     
  3. Superman25

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    Just incase you're feeling offended or anything, just know that I'm not here to make you feel bad or anything. The Bible should be the only source of doctrines and information. It really makes God sad that people willfully disregard his Word and follow the traditions of men... Letting Scripture interpret Scripture is the Christian way, letting the Bible provide it's own interpretation. The disciples passed down information in the Bible, not through people. The traditions in the Church today didn't exist in the apostles' time. There was no cross veneration, no Virgin Mary and all that. These ideas have unscriptural roots and many disregard the Bible's view. The apostles respect God's word and it's that respect that they'd want passed down.

    Taking all the things Jesus said in the Bible literally would only make one very confused. He uses illustrations and vivid parables and metaphors a lot. If we take them literally, the hidden lessons in it, would be lost.

    Interpreting the Bible's message isn't human tradition, but by action of God's holy spirit. Holy Spirit would help us find the answers in the very Bible we have. There are more to the scriptures that you and I don't know.
     
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    He also said the same thing for the wine... He was talking about the event going on. That event is part of the New Covenant. That meal he shared is meant to replace the Passover. This meal is done to commemorate his death. It's the only thing he said to be done to remember him in the entire scriptures. It's crystal clear
     
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    Yes, you are right. But the Bible shows that the disciples didn't recognize him until he made a familiar gesture or said a word that made them recognize him. John 20:15-17 shows that Mary Magdalene was talking to a man, whom she thought was the gardener, but because he called her by name, in a way Jesus would, she recognized him. Thomas had to feel his wounds to recognize him! Luke 24:16 says that Jesus was walking in their midst and they didn't recognize him. He had a spirit body because it was this body he took to heaven. Flesh and blood can't be in heaven, so says the scripture.
     
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    I appreciate that you want me to search the scriptures. It's an obligation that all Christians must do. What I'm saying, might sound strange to you, since youve been Anglican all your life. But this isn't an issue of denominations... This is an issue of Bible truth. What is in it specifically. Because it means salvation. If you check the origins of most doctrines...a lot of them have unscriptural roots....some from pagan religions...should we deceive ourselves and turn a blind eye to that? I don't follow blindly what others say... The Bible has opened my eyes to see the truth and avoid what others are saying. That's why Im trying to share what I've learned.
     
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  7. Max Fisher

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    @Superman25 can you answer one thing? Who decided which books became "the Bible"? Jesus didn't write it himself. And all of it was recorded in writing after the apostles were gone. Who said "ok here is what you should believe, written out, now interpret it according to the holy spirit". The Bible doesn't even say that within itself. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you can only use the Bible to define docterine. Btw I'm very, very not offended, I've had these conversations many times and wasn't even a believer at times in my life. I appreciate you being polite and civil and I pride myself on that as well. Please dont infer an angry tone when you read my questions. I'm not agitated. I'm probing for truth. :)
     
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  8. Max Fisher

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    Its definately not if over a billion people world wide disagree.
     
  9. The Council of Rome.
     
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  10. Max Fisher

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    Yup. Second question: who gave authority to this council to decide what should be is the Bible?
     
  11. It was a small meeting of a few bishops. The reason why their version of canon won is because Jerome wrote the Vulgate immediately after that and included exactly those books. The Vulgate was THE Bible version to have during the Middle Ages, so there you have it.
     
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  12. Max Fisher

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    I'm going to keep teasing out the core truth I've been hinting at with yet more questions. I'm not deliberately trying to frustrate you so I hope you dont see it that way.

    Whether a small or large group, what exactly is a bishop? Who gets to decide who a bishop is and if that office or position isnt defined in the Bible they approved, and the bible is all I can use to define doctrine, why should I take what they give me or believe that they assembled the correct Bible?
     
  13. Bible doesn't say: trust persons. Persons defined what Bible is. Therefore, don't trust Bible.
    Q.E.D.
     
  14. Max Fisher

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    Lol! That is definately one conclusion. But then how can you trust any book or history ever recorded? Maybe you can't? Then how does one seek knowledge? Personal experience? But then how do you trust your senses that can lie to you? Is truth unknowable?
     
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  15. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength. Fuck truth.
     
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  16. Roady

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    Can you tell me what benefits your message gives you?
    I mean, my believe in Jesus as the Son of God gives me love, peace, forgiveness of my sins, and eternal life.

    What are your benefits in your belief in your "version of Jesus"?
     
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  17. Max Fisher

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    1984?
     
  18. As Max stated ... what did the early Christians do before the Bible was compiled? How did they know what to do... were to go and how to appoint priests and bishops? The Bible did not descend from the clouds when Jesus ascended. So on what basis do you accept the authority of the Bible? For the first 60 odd years before any of the New Testamen was writtedt... was there no church? Sola scriptura (the tern used for what you are promoting) is a notion that denies reality. The New Testament was written after Christianity emerged, not before. This is a logical and historically factual statement. The answer is Jesus appointed apostles... and these men who were given authority from Christ... taught others how to follow Christ. Some apostles (e.g. Paul) wrote down accounts... some who came later (e.g. the early Church Fathers). wrote down other things.... the authority was passed down (Apostolic succession) and that authority given to the church (body of believers) is the basis for believing the Bible. If the preceding events did not occur in that preordained sequence the books we have in the Bible would be no different from any other book in a library. We believe the Bible because we believe that the Holy Church has the authority to declare these scriptures as inspired. And that did not occur until hundreds of years after the death of Christ.
     
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