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Difficulty accepting my porn/edging addiction

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by learning, May 31, 2021.

  1. learning

    learning Fapstronaut

    I've been having difficulty accepting my porn/edging addiction and the implication that I'm probably never going to overcome it without becoming asexual like a monk permanently.

    I have a problem with alcohol that forced me to give up alcohol entirely. It was difficult to give up alcohol, but it was not as difficult to accept that I needed to give up alcohol. I wonder why?

    (1) Maybe I love porn/edging more than I love alcohol? Alcohol was mostly a way to cope with misery whereas porn/edging is more than that. Porn/edging is an actual high. So maybe my deeper love for this addiction is keeping me in denial about my need to give it up entirely?

    (2) Maybe society's greater awareness of alcoholism as a medical issue rather than a weakness of character is a factor? Ironically even though I sometimes call myself an alcoholic, my alcohol problem was probably not alcoholism. Alcohol for me was a psychological escape that I used constantly. Alcohol was not a high. Regardless, I remind myself frequently that I must never touch alcohol again, and there is no psychological ambivalence in my resolve. It's different with porn/edging. Part of me keeps wondering if there is a middle ground where I can have my cake and eat it too.

    (3) Maybe my lack of control with porn/edging is another factor? Whenever I spend 12 hours edging to porn I am stunned and confused. It happens almost every week, but I still can't quite accept that I can't stop. It makes no sense. I see it happen again and again, but I can't quite believe it. After a week or even a few days it is easy to convince myself that it won't happen this time, because I can't quite believe it actually happened last time. I keep hoping I can learn to control it, because I can't accept that the addiction is totally in control and I am only a passive observer as I edge and edge and edge and edge.
     
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  2. Monks are not asexual except maybe behaviorally, I forget the source or exact quote but I vaguely recall a fairly well known monastic being asked like what happens in their mind and they said think about sex. A lot.

    We're not born with alcohol (or alcoholism) in our veins, we are born with our sexuality. The issue with PMO is it gets hijacked/strongly associated with the porn narrative.

    So I think there are two levels here, the honesty in terms of admitting we are addicted as we hear in classical 12 Step, and the level where there's just our innate sexuality. Of course, between the sexuality we're born with and now is all the stuff we've learned through a long history of PMO.

    There's acceptance in a general "it's like this" sense, but there's also more specific inquiry into the nature of the thing. Technological enablement is of course a huge factor with PMO, yet other than some people using blockers I don't see that being unpacked in more details for the most part. There's only going to be more of that, if the past 14 months of lockdown has shown anything. I highly recommend people look more closely at the tech use and the relationship to PMO.
     
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  3. eagle rising

    eagle rising Fapstronaut

    Perhaps one can draw the line between sexuality and watching pornography. They are totally different things. In the former you potentially engage yourself in an act of connection with another physical human being. The idea that pornography and masturbation are a part of our sexuality is just fluff. It has about enough substance as an ad for consuming soda. The real (at least as close as we can get) movement of sexuality is in finding a mate and engaging in a bond. Watching pornography, on the other hand, is very superficial. It creates a different world in your mind and you consequently have difficulty in navigating that world.

    Is pornogrqphy really an appropriate substitute for such a thing? Only your hand and no other physical body is there. You watch porn and you get off, but a different part of your brain and your body are like, "what the hell was that about"? "Did we just release semen even though there is no female around? I'm so confused." Hence the feelings of shame.

    As far as intoxicating substances go, they are about a part of us as eating food is. The brain is literally naturally wired with the ability to release feel good chemicals, cannabinoids, they call it. In my understanding, we can "access" that ourselves, through our ability to conjure up different things. Unfortunately, we've made it much easier to fall into external substances that stimulate the feel good, yet lowers your faculties. There is a common ground between addictive activities and that isn't talked about because, through science, we need to divide up eveything in order to isolate causal links and mechanical motions. Which is always perplexing because everything is connected.
     
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  4. modern milarepa

    modern milarepa Fapstronaut

    Quite hard, you seem really deep into this shit my friend. Hope one day you decide to call it quits just like you did with alcohol.

    Best of lucks, hug
     
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  5. Jhonnes_Jhonnes

    Jhonnes_Jhonnes Fapstronaut

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    Most alcoholics would agree with that. They drink to numb the pain. In fact, according to the Self Medication Hypothesis, all drugs are used in a attempt to deal with unconfortable feelings/sensations.


    Edging is the most harmful of all porn related practices. It has to stop before you can hope to make any progress.

    You know that:
    • your edging sessions last 12 hours
    • It happens every week
    This is how you have behaved in the past, and you can expect it to continue in the future.

    You know deep down that you are going to relapse anyway, so you must focus on making the relapse the least harmful as possible.

    Once you have started edging you know you are not going to stop, that the only possible outcome is an orgasm, so why not skip the edging and go directly to the end?

    If you find yourself edging, make a point of orgasming right there. At least you avoid most of the harm.

    By all means avoid porn, masturbation, edging and orgasms, as much as possible. But once you have found yourself already edging, its over, there is zero chance you are going to stop, so a quick relapse is the most desirable outcome.

    Once edging is gone you will find it much easier to quit other things.

    I hope it helps.

    (I speak as a former hardcore edger)
     
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  6. becomingreat

    becomingreat Fapstronaut

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    Continue watching porn as long as you enjoy it. In order to quit you need to realize:
    1- I don't like it anymore
    2-Its doing more harm than good

    Without realizing those you won't be able to quit.
     
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  7. learning

    learning Fapstronaut

    Thanks, that is good information.

    Coincidentally, on Sunday I tried using my hands to stimulate myself just before I was going to take a shower. I don't know why I decided to try that. I guess it had been so long that I couldn't remember what it was like and why I never did it that way. Unfortunately that experiment continued for a couple of hours and it was the same old edging trap. I kept thinking "I've got to stop. This is going nowhere." and I couldn't stop. There was one point where I could feel myself approaching and orgasm or ejaculation and my edging instinct caused me to immediately back away from it. I don't remember how I finally escaped that trap. Probably it was related to my determination to go visit my mother and her cat at 6 pm.

    Anyway, it's like the backing away from an impending orgasm/ejaculation has become subconscious programming. So that's why I stopped using my hands and lubrication and all that stuff when I edge. I just use my fantasies and porn and pelvic floor muscles, because it actually seems more intense that way. "Less is more" I guess.

    My wrists were sore yesterday, and that was from trying to use my hands to stimulate myself on Sunday. So that's another reason I no longer do it that way. I have tendency to have joint pain in my wrists and hands.

    I know you were not specifically addressing my method of edging. You were suggesting that when I find myself in an edging trap I should crescendo to an orgasm/ejaculation. The problem is that it's all instinctual. I feel like I'm out of my body watching myself edge and edge and edge for hours. The only thing that seems to break me free is when there is an external commitment like work or visiting my mother, and sometimes even that doesn't work. Usually what happens is I am late for that commitment, because I can't stop until the last possible moment.

    Sorry for the long rambling post. I thought you might understand if you have had this edging problem yourself. It seems like I've messed myself up where I can't even PMO like an ordinary PMO addict anymore. I'm just screwed.
     

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