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When abstaining from all sexual behaviour I usually start to feel good

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  1. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    Greetings good people, I was wondering something today and I would like to ask you about your experience and your thoughts on the issue.
    You see, I've been doing nofap for more than 700 days with many different streaks. During this time I've relapsed 26 times which would basically mean like on average once in 28 days but this math is not really objective because it is calculated from the very beginning and I'm getting better at this game. My streaks are getting longer and relapses are fewer and fewer, also strategies applied in the process are more sophisticated and my general discipline and conviction is stronger too.
    I've seen the benefits and I've also experienced unexpectedly strong withdrawals. Only after starting the nofap journey I realised that I am indeed an addict. Truly I had no idea.
    My longest streaks were: 124, 109, 77. The thing is I'd like to believe that with each relapse the overall progress is still there and all is not lost. To tell the truth I still think so. It's only logical.
    And in all honesty on the day when I screw up my nofap ambition and relapse, I usually ejaculate 4/ 5 times in total.
    Yeah, I am aware of it being counterproductive and I know that my multiple ejaculation on the day of relapse is stealing more of my progress. I'm working on it. But that's not the point now.
    You see, for example today I am on day 42 and I've just realised something. It seems that in my longer streaks I follow the same map and the good things and bad things come at more or less the same time. This realisation is making me feel a bit nervous because it could really mean that with each relapse of mine all is lost and I always do start with the square one again. My feeling is that it shouldn't be like that because a lot of hard work has been done and it shouldn't just dusappesr like that because of one crazy evening. But the numbers and my notes speak different language.
    It's always like this for me in the longer streaks:
    Day 0 - 42 - flatline and withdrawal symptoms
    Since day 40 morning wood, glowing skin, clear eyes
    Since day 43 feeling better
    Since day 58 urges and spontaneous erections coming back
    Since day 77 feeling very good, it's like a feeling of high.
    Since day 83 urges are massive
    Since day 104 second flatline and crazy withdrawal. I haven't made it past it yet and to be honest I didn't expect to feel so bad so far in the streak.
    So what are your thoughts on this guys? Why do I seem to follow the very same track after each relapse? Is all the progress lost? What is your experience? And could you share your map of the progress? Thank You all.
     
    Last edited: May 1, 2022
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  2. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    Also I would like to know if your map of progress is changing with more longer streaks coming.
     
  3. OhWhenThe

    OhWhenThe Fapstronaut

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    I'll let you know if/when I get there.

    As I said elsewhere, I think we can roughly split rebooters into four categories: not addicted, mildly addicted, moderately addicted and severely addicted. Unfortunately I'm very much in the latter but on the plus side I stand to gain the most, right? I'm telling myself that anyway.

    I've been in a perpetual flatline for so long I've genuinely forgotten what good feels like. I definitely feel better than post-relapse(I feel like actual death and it lasts for a solid month or more) but I certainly don't feel good yet either. Your timeline confirms my hypothesis though that the benefits and feel good feeling only come once your libido is back firing strong and you're batting away the urges, much easier said than done though. Right now I'm on what I consider a pre-streak. Although I still fight with the occasional urge to drown myself in porn, physically I'm not fighting a great deal, though nocturnal/morning wood is slowly beginning to reappear.

    Turning a relapse into a binge definitely wipes out all my progress, if I'm being completely truthful though I've never managed to relapse once and leave it at that so I don't have anything to compare it to. I imagine that it knocks you back a fair bit but doesn't burn the whole thing down like a day long edge-a-thon. Each relapse also causes me even more severe symptoms the next time around plus it makes the subsequent new streak take even longer. Man, this shit really does blow. I genuinely want to punch people when they say porn/pmo can't do this.

    I want to get to your day 77 point, even if it's only for one day, just as a source of inspiration to keep going on this horrible ride.

    My skin is definitely better by the way, haven't needed to use moisturiser for like two months now. I actually said this on a skin care forum and got called a nut job but I don't care, they can keep buying their expensive fake lotions that do nothing but dry you out so you buy more while I caress my wonderful soft and supple self-hydrating skin.
     
    Last edited: May 2, 2022
  4. I recently got to day 9, and was socked that I still had no urge for sex, and me ED was still there, felt like my dick was dead and didn't even get going at all. Really fucked with me and thought I was done, no hope. Been reading a lot of ED stuff here, and others say it comes back. But is it normal to feel nothing, even during sex my dick doesn't work at all, felt so ashamed. But when I get the urge to masturbate it just barely gets up. Pretty pathetic and I don't even know why at this point why I even break streak and PMO, even while doing it now I don't feel enjoyment, and after it is just as worse. It's like a smoker dragging from a cigarette, then realizing there is nothing in their fingers. I just want to have healthy sex and obviously quit PMO for good, but sometimes I believe I am a lost cause.

    I agree, I hate when others say it is quite easy. Plus I don't even believe them, and kind of feel like they're lying threw their teeth.
     
  5. Hammond Egger

    Hammond Egger Fapstronaut

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    I've been in a flatline for 8 months now.

    Dead penis, no morning wood, depression, no motivation, brain fog, no libido, no energy, tired all day etc.

    8 MONTHS!

    I thought it was a hormone issue but when I checked my testosterone I was above average for my age.

    It takes much longer to be cured than we think.
     
  6. OhWhenThe

    OhWhenThe Fapstronaut

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    Is that with no relapse?

    I agree that this can take a while. Unfortunately I think most guys give up and think their issues must be due to something else when it takes so long.
     
  7. Hammond Egger

    Hammond Egger Fapstronaut

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    8 months with no P but I relapsed with only MO like 3 or 4 times.
     
  8. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    Thank You for your feedback and please keep me posted.
    I actually think more and more that I might be one of those more hardcore cases as well. I mean after more than 700 days of different streaks I still suffer the withdrawal every single day. And when I was on my longest streak 124 days I felt good only for about 24 days. And when these 24 days passed, the second flatline came (shortly after day 100) and this level of darkness surprised me a lot. I haven't felt so bad for years. I almost went on a sick leave because to work with this level of anxiety, nervosity, brain fog, insomnia, inability to focus on anything and more ..that was quite a challenge. It was a bit hello darkness my old friend, I've come to talk to you again :D And that's when I relapsed. This time I will be prepared for the second flatline :)
    Or not :D Because who knows it could pretty easily last other 100 days or more.
    I accept it all though. It actually makes sense and I'm really determined and highly motivated to face it all.
    You haven't really got at least a glimpse of the good stuff that is about to come to your life if you keep your game up? That would really help you and it will. So stay strong. My feel-good vibes didn't stay long at all but it was profound experience and I feel there is much more to come.
    And you're absolutely right - those who fell the lowest down the rabbit hole, have the potential to rise the highest.
    I knew deep inside that masturbation and porn was wrong when I was twelve but the society kept telling me that it's perfectly healthy, natural and safe thing to do. And so I kept going for a quarter of a century. At times I edged for hours.
    Nobody told me that it is as addictive as heroine and that I will pay dearly for every single minute of my decadence.
    And yeah, I've come to the same understanding as you - only after the libido is back, will you start to get the benefits. It is the sexual energy anyway which is going to transmutate in your life and manifest itself in all these feel- good stuff.
    Speaking of relapsing and losing your ( or some of your) progress I still think though there must be difference between guy who PMOs 3 times a week for last two years versus what I have been doing for last two years. Even though it doesn't feel that way now.
    Anyway, I'd love to see the timeline of the bad and good things as they come for other people on this journey too.
     
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  9. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    I definitely agree with that. "90 days reboot" won't cut it for vast majority of the guys.
     
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  10. Icewarrior

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    If we are identified with negative emotions etc. then at some point they will pull us back down, so we then act out to try and elevate ourselves yet again. If we become identified with our ideals instead then there is no need to act out anymore because we are at a higher level of being. Pmo is, of course, at a lower level. This work is not a quick fix for most of us, especially if we’ve been fused with negative states for a long time, like me, for example.
     
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  11. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    Intellectually I've always known it works like this but now for the first time I'm experiencing it and making a conscious choice. I'm not going to focus on the sad fact that it took me 38 years before I reached this point. There are no mistakes in life, only experience. Instead I'm going to focus on the positive side - this No PMO ambition is a total game changer. There is so much good coming out of it, so much reclaiming to be done. I can feel it.
    Yeah, my every single day sucks now and I suffer the consequences of my past decadence. In a way my life was easier and "better" before nofap. I suffer now and I've suffered most of my 750 days journey. But it's o.k. I can taake it. My perspective is very optimistic. And secondly there isn't any other way. To be or not to be ( the person you have always meant to be) shouldn't even be a question.
    And one more thing, I know it might sound a bit like a cliché but I truly feel that those who fell the deepest, might rise the highest. And I need to say that I was hooked by the age of 12, that is 26 years ago.
     
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  12. hey i can answer this having had several 8+ months long periods of abstinence. Im sorry but honestly relapsing 4-5 times in a day pretty much destroys all your progress or most of it. The good news is that you do bounce back relatively quicker in future. But once you relapse, you lose. You can console yourself by reflecting on your progress, but you do go far back, and if you binge like several times in one day, then ya you pretty much are back at square one
     
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  13. its similar for me. im in a flatline right now and feeling the depression, loss of energy, and lethargic, and dull weird bloated face, and im 200+ days in. But this is temporary from experience. The flatline/withdrawal or whatever you wanna call it comes in waves. Just know that. And when each flatline ends, you come out of it stronger and the good feelings come back. There are periodic cycles and i dont know why. It does tend to taper off the longer you go (less frequent flatlines). I think it depends on the person, and I think its hormones still stabilizing tbh

    Please keep in touch with me in the future, and ask how I am doing. I am approaching 1 year, and have no intention of ever going back
     
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  14. you have to get worse initially to feel better. no pain no gain. Its the purging that needs to happen before the body can cleanse. If you had 700 days completely clean streak then im sure you would be fine by now. Having 100 day streaks simply isn't enough, especially if you relapse several times subsequently. I've seen some guys saying "nofap doesn't work after 6 months", and yet they really just limited it to once a week.

    Its a similar principle here. 700 days of many shorter streaks is simply nothing like 700 days of an actual clean no messing around period of abstinence.

    Having "8 months streak" with say 4 relapses isn't really an 8 month streak, its completely different than an entire 8 months streak. If you do the math, then its really the same as having four 2 month long streaks.
     
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  15. Icewarrior

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    The deeper we fall the deeper we have to dig. And the deeper we go into the subconscious (meaning that which we are unaware of) the more we become conscious and are then elevated !
     
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  16. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    Thank you for your feedback and wise words. Also, big congratulations to your progress. You are an inspiration.
    The way I see it, after 750 days of limited success, there is no way around it. Relapse simply can't be an option. And truly I think I've had enough. It takes such a long time after each relapse before I start to feel alright. Highly motivated this time. I've learnt a lot in last 750 days. I see how it is all interconnected. But it's time to level up a bit.
    Thanks again. Keep up the good work and stay strong in your flatlines. Btw how long do your flatlines usually last when you are that far in your streak? Is there any pattern? And what about their intensity?
     
  17. flatines last longer in the beginning. I would say it widely varies from person to person. For me, flatlines last on avg around 2 weeks or so. This past one happened possibly bc i was overexerting myself for several consecutive weeks with exercise and little break. I feel better after a couple REALLY bad days. It was a bad wave, where I had to really meditate and self reflect and there was a lot of emotional purging and inner cleansing going on.

    The flatlines suddenly come, there is no pattern of exactly when. The withdrawal/neg symptoms whatever you wanna call them, are moderately intense. Lack of energy even after 10+ hours of sleep, frequent urination (sometimes it would be like 4 times in an hour). Its weird, but then it goes away suddenly
     
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  18. Kierann

    Kierann Fapstronaut

    You say there is no pattern regarding when the flatlines come so we are all up for the ride then, no spoiler here :D
    On the other hand, what you're saying is that the flatlines tend to get shorter later in the streak and that is definitely good news.
     

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