Is porn and kink all bad?

We're thinking a like... Except I think it's more than one account.

 

It might mean you're being played.

 

I realize that, but whats the difference if i'm addicted anyway. Addiction is addiction. I can't just change my mind and say I'll watch it occasionally now because i'll get rehooked. And as far as non addicts are concerned, they can't know they won't get addicted until they try. Its like me saying its okay for me to do drugs because im not addicted and see what happens. Either way its a bad thing. Not to mention its immoral and unnatural in my opinion. This is just my take on it.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Oh I get what's she's saying but she does have a problem, she won't accept anything other than what she thinks on it even if there's proof or science to it. She wants facts and truth, and not opinions yet blatantly all she's saying is just her opinion... lol

But whatever, obviously they're not open for a discussion on the actual negatives of porn so there's no point, she'll just try to continue to refute anything unless it coinsides with her belief.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but the opinion you hold dismisses an entire library of literature published on the brain related changes that occurs due to porn addiction. It is well documented that pornography fosters neurochemical changes to the nerve cells of the brain, as well as other addiction related changes such as sensitization, desensitization and dependance.

"This new research includes some
37 neurological studies on porn users, as well as 12 new reviews of the literature, all by some of the world's top neuroscientists. There are also some 15 studies revealing escalation of porn use or habituation to porn (a sign of tolerance, and of addiction). Among them can be found evidence of both tolerance and withdrawal symptoms. With respect to porn-induced sexual problems there are now 23 studies linking porn use and porn addiction to sexual problems and lower arousal to sexual stimuli. In four of these papers, there is also evidence of causation because the men healed problems by eliminating porn use. In addition, more than 50 studies now link porn use to less sexual and relationship satisfaction. Similarly, some 40 studies link porn use to poorer cognitive function and mental health problems."
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Oh, and the studies cited above? Those are all since 2012.

Understand that there dozens of sources out there advocating for porn's usefulness in regards to sexual health. I've read many of those articles, and one of the most consistent trends I have seen from these articles is the overwhelming reference to David Ley's works on porn addiction -- a known opponent to the NoFap. The problem with this? David Ley's citations almost universally reference papers HE and his colleagues created themselves, papers that consistently ignore the findings in the aforementioned resources I eluded to. You can read Your Brain On Porn author Gary Wilson's response to David Ley's accusations in this article here.

You seem to think that the issues with porn are manifestations of our mind, and personally, I kind of like that. It's an empowering approach, and it fosters responsiblity for your problems. Unfortunately, it ignores the underlying mechanisms that result in addiction, and I think that in order to have the best chances to break away from this problem and regain control of our sexuality, one must understand the damage that is really being done to us. If the harmful effects of pornography are "all in our heads", then why do over 260 brain studies on internet addiction (many including porn) all reference the brain related changes that are consistent with the addiction model? If porn is "just how we view it", then why do studies show a 1,000% increase in erectile dysfunction rates in the last 15 years, which correlates to the rise in high speed internet? And finally, why are researchers finding rates of porn addiction to be as high as 28 percent in men if porn's affects are linked so closely to our approach to it? You say you're researching this objectively -- understand that these are the questions you must be prepared to answer if you want to justify the conclusions you seem to be making here.

By the way, these are all studies you rarely see circulate mainstream media, and that should say it all right there.

 

Even bigger "twist"! Porn is well known and studied in the fact that it raises dopamine and shuts off receptors more aggressively in the brain closely relating towards what harsh drugs do.

While there's no denying a lot of parts to an addiction are in the mind that logic doesn't work with porn comparing it to alcohol, while you can get addicted to booze if you're careless or whatever porn doesn't work the same because the dopamine hit you get is raised so many times higher than any other thing you could possibly do. Not to mention alcohol doesn't objectify or degrade people like porn does.

It makes your brain want to keep coming back and many folks do after their first encounter. That's honestly why drug addicts have said quitting porn was just as bad if not worse than staying clean from things like cocaine or even weed.

 

Yes, exactly. I'm sorry, but I dont feel bad about sharing my opinion in response to someone else sharing theirs. What's wrong with that? We are both doing the same thing.

Yes, exactly again. So many people just assume that if someone doesnt have the same view as them, they must be wrong and not understanding them. Nope, I just dont agree, based on facts and logic and the multitudes of studies I've read on the subject.

 

Literally everybody here gets that. We all get what she is saying. We just dont agree.