Nofap/not using porn and MGTOW

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Idontevenknowanymore, Dec 30, 2014.

  1. Idontevenknowanymore

    Idontevenknowanymore Fapstronaut

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    I realize there are all kinds of people here, and among those are probably some MGTOWs like myself. This might be a sensitive topic to some, and it is not my intention in any way to incite any negativity. Just an exhange of opinions, philosophies and thoughts on lifestyle. Hopefully, we can do it in a respectful manner. Also, please excuse the language barrier, as I am not a native English speaker.

    I realize that as much as women are commodified and exploited in porn, men are also turned into utilities by the system, thanks to laws that makes it very risky for him to get into a relationship.

    My getting into MGTOW has been a very careful consideration, because I see a lot of resentment and bitterness towards women in the MGTOW movement and I didn't want to be part of that for two reasons.

    Number one is that it makes no sense to harbor resentment towards someone that I have chosen not to interact with any more than necessary in my life.

    Number two is that MGTOWs tend to glorify porn as a way of "cheating the system" to get the sexual benefits from women without the risks involved. To me, that just seemed like another way to be enslaved to women(and the objectification of them), and just as pathetic as being the guy who is being taken advantage of in a marriage where the occasional sex is used as a bargaining tool, a currency if you will.

    For me, MGTOW and nofap/not using porn go hand in hand because I want to not only be liberated from the gynocentric matrix through MGTOW, but also from the mental enslavement that porn creates.

    To me, a MGTOW is still enslaved if he harbors resentment towards women and is enslaved to them through pornography. True MGTOW in my mind is someone who has cut himself loose from women completely. That means if he interacts with one, it is outside the gender/sex dynamics of society. It is purely platonic, as if he would interact with a man.

    To me, pure liberation is not choosing between two extremes: gynocentrism or the opposite, but rather to not have to consider gender and sex dynamics at all. Take away the power of the vagina and you can interact with the actual person behind it. That also means women can not exploit you in any way either.

    So I wanted to ask if there are any other MGTOWs here and what you think about the MGTOW life and nofap, as well as the points I brought up.
     
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  2. diesel2256

    diesel2256 Fapstronaut

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    I consider myself a bit MGTOW,but purely from a standpoint that women are not what men should look for validation in. If you're still angry at the game and women in general, you're still being controlled.
     
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  3. obsrac

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    Same boat here. Would consider myself somewhat of a MGTOW but wouldn't necessarily call myself one. I believe I am simply a realist and see things as they are. But with that, I do realize that it is impossible not to see women as sexual entities and not desire to have sexual relationships with them (or with men depending on sexual orientation). It is hard wired into our minds as mammals to seek out a sexual relationship, just as it is to be loved, have shelter, etc. So i do not necessarily share the same view as you regarding viewing women as simply platonic entities. My brain is wired to be sexually attracted to women and I do truly embrace that. I just approach it knowing the realities regarding the current social environment and human behavior in general.

    I too harbor no resentment for women. I do often lament the decline of and negativity surrounding truly feminine qualities in society, especially where I live, though.

    Anyways, porn is certainly not a benefit to any positive lifestyle. It saps you of your drive, creativity, boldness, and purpose (any addiction is like this). If you have determined that attracting women is not the ultimate goal of life, then why funnel any sexual urges to digital women? Isn't that even more pathetic?

    I go about life focusing on truly meaningful things - pursuit of knowledge and truth, expressing my creative self, developing strong and meaningful relationships with people (including platonic or romantic ones with women), developing my own character and skills, trying to purge my mind of any ego... If anything, nofap helps in these things immensely.
     
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  4. Man, this is my dilemma, nofap = woman chase, for me. I did 62 day hardmode, ended up with a girl I did not even like. My dick was softer with her than in a days I wanked 4 times a day. I want to be a mgtow and I know its not possible to stop my need for a release. And if i cant release by masturbation and only allowed release is with woman - according to rules - i for sure as HELL will get that woman. But I DONT WANT A WOMAN!!! So its just this vicious circle.

    I tell you what...

    Golden middle path is always the best. Any kind of extreme is always NOT good. For me, doing 90 days or even hundrets of days without any release is extreme. Wanking to porn 4 times a day is extreme as well. I dont want a woman... so maybe a golden middle path could be cancelling all porn and lets say wank it twice a month??? Just get it done, no big fantasy, just grab it, and get it done???

    Fuck those "superpowers" man, i did 62 fucking days hard mode!!! What good for me is that woman watch me more and I can hold eye contact so every last one of them just put their eyes into ground in a defeat? At the end of the freaking day, you will just have one of them potentionally and be a provider, superpowers or not! It aint change shit!!

    For me mgtow and nofap is not compatible. Nofap is good when u want a relationship. It will force you to be in one, very fast, like it happened to me! I woke up like WTF i dont want this. Why am I here?

    Its a complicated topic, i will be glad for additional input here, as im still trying to shape some opinion here.

    Edit: call me a necro mancer!!! Haha, 3 years old thread:/
     
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  5. Andrew14

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    I consider myself MGTOW in the sense that I will NEVER marry again. And I'm also a huge NoFap. Some might say MGTOWs cannot ever have sex with a woman or be in a relationship again. I don't agree on that definition. (Haters on that point can keep quiet or go f*ck themselves. I don't care which.)

    The bigger deal is that I am also at Day 980 of NoFap as of today, Wednesday, 5/23/2018! YAY!!!! During those 980 days, I have had incredible, loving sex with a handful of women without any danger of disease or pregnancy. And each woman was extremely supportive (and a bit intrigued) knowing that I neither watched P nor did the M thing.

    I think NoFap has changed my life for the better. I also recommend MGTOW and The Red Pill TRP of course. I am a 65 yo male who was married 25 years until wife left me and kids. I will NEVER marry again and I will NEVER fap again either. :)
     
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  6. ShotDunyun

    ShotDunyun Fapstronaut

    I like the MGTOW ideology, but I hate the community. 50% of them in social media are straight up women hating douchebags. I like to see that none of the people commenting here are like that. I also consider NoFap+MGTOW is the way to go, as I dont plan to get married nor having children
     
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