The Problem With Today's Relationships

Agreed brother!
Man = takes care of the sh$t that he is supposed to!

 

Feminism is definitely not men's fault! That was my thread that was deleted - which really pissed me off btw. It seems...some people can't discuss real issues. Feminism is a political movement and that's all it was/is etc. Men were always trying to f*ck as many women as they could, all throughout history. This isn't responsible for the change in behavior and identity of women in the last century. That's nonsense. Now what did happen - is a deliberate attempt at destroying and subverting morals on both sides...and a massively obvious deliberate attempt at completely inverting and destroying women and young girls - before they even have chances to form healthy images and identities of themselves. It's truly the world's greatest tragedy in this country. but there is sex everywhere. I know it's not Kosher to discuss it, but - the vicious assault on Christianity destroyed any moral backbone we had left. That's what's responsible for what you see. iMO. But women have been given the go for promiscuous behavior, unadulterated narcissism, and unequal rights since third wave feminism hit.

It's imo completely all but destroyed our society. It's hanging in tatters. Marriages fail or people can't even have successful relationships, anymore. Women wield tremendously unfair power in courts and in the federal system. Men lose. .... women basically have too much power - it's imbalanced for a society - I guess that's sexist of me to say that. O well. It is the truth.

Men have no spines. It's been removed and replaced with Justin Bieber and the backstreet boys, these soft....friendly, weak effeminate excuses for men portrayed all over tv for everyone to follow. Just look at tv commercials - all the 'trendy' guys are slim build, effeminate looking males who really lack masculinity, they all have the tight clothes and shirts on; they appear doofy and subservient to the powerful strong female in the ad. It's clockwork, every time, and it's just getting worse every year. They're turning men into jellyfish! And we're all buying it, hook line and sinker.
Guys wake up. Remember your maleness. Remember who you are. These people - nobody, has that right to take that away from you.

 

There are forces pitting men and women against each other, socially - for decades now. ...This is the truth. If you just look around, you'll see it. Romantic love was replaced by depraved promiscuity. On both sides...this has to do with the fall of our moral standard. There is no other way around it.
Third wave feminism has all but destroyed young girls. It's sad. ...men are trying to adapt - and what we get is this unnatural, straining ...and totally imbalanced situation that just looks and feels weird.
Women should go back to being women. Men should go back to being men. Problem solved.

 

As anything in life the truth is somewhere in the middle. There are issues on both sides. Ultimately, being a man, I will take the first step and blame myself (not because I have no spine, rather because it is an action that can be constructively taken) and then take the necessary steps to correct myself. When I am a good example, the people around me will follow. To condemn, blame, or criticize is rarely effective. When you hurt the ego of a person, they will not listen no matter how "right" you are. May we be granted guidance and wisdom to be a source of good in this world that desperately needs it.

 

No. The truth is the truth! It always has been and has to be. I've researched all of this. Feminism is infact, a political movement - and that's all it is. I can guarantee you that. It has sinister motives underneath it (like getting the other half of the gender pool in the workforce so in order to tax double the population they had before...to grow the government, breaking up families; if Mommy is now at work, she can't take care of kids...junior has to go out to a daycare..wherein he will be indoctrinated from an early age to love the state, not his parents as he should - and also to break up marriages.) Feminism - third wave feminism......is pure evil. It had no good intents. You were lied to, trust me.

I am a messenger of truth.

 

May we be guided to what is best. I wish you well brother!

 

Amen!

 

Oh jeez. Both sides have issues, instead of working together to find solutions the blame game goes on. Instead of talking about it we should teach our youth to respect each other. This culture is unbalanced.

 

If Feminism is to be blamed then you are saying that giving equal rights to women is at fault.
I don't think that the only way to save marriages is for men to have greater rights.
And even today, men being promiscuous is tolerated more than women being promiscuous.

And somebody mentioned Christianity being attacked.
I don't think that the society's moral fibre should rest on the church.
Anyway, read the bloody history of the Church, you won't want to use that for moral fibre.
Not to mention that they cover up child abuse.

And again, Feminism just means equal rights for men and women. That's it.
Equal rights.
This doesn't destroy society.

 

The moral fibre what should it rest on then? More atrocity has occurred in the 20th century by secularists than in entire recorded history in one period. Just read about it....It sounds like you just spout what you've heard from the tv or, from some other places without checking your resources, or repeating propaganda. ...I won't waste my time correcting foolishness as The only thing you earn by that is rebuke.

As I've said, third wave feminism is NOT what you think it is. Please, do some interesting and deep study about this topic.

Thank you.

 

You've got it backwards. That definition came into existence because with women in the workforce and military, outearning men and getting better educations, counting how many women you've slept with is the only thing that's unique to men. Kind of like how all the men in sparta were warriors (or helots that could legally be murdered) while the women did everything else (including ruling the city state while the king was off fighting wars with his men.) Feminism started with housework becoming more automated. Women thanked the men who gave them a way to wash dishes with the press of a button by likening their role to a "comfortable concentration camp" (whatever that means) so of course men felt like walking wallets. The last ~70 years has been feminists looking for new ways to force men to be walking wallets even if they don't get married.

 

My belief is that both feminists and men's rights activists tend to ask the wrong questions. In the end, the goal is equality so speaking about how one group keeps the other down is pointless and a distraction. I'm quite sympathetic to the original post about the "problem with relationships", but I would also expand it to say that both people in a relationship need to stop acting in ways that are designed to give them the upper hand in the relationship. When the people in the relationship work together in the ways that are best suited to their particular skills, we can do far more than if we have specific roles that somebody has to fill even if they aren't good at it. One of my very good friend's mom was a horrible cook, but his dad was an excellent one. But because mom had to be the one to have dinner on the table, dad never made food for the family and they all ate worse food than they had to. The dad didn't like it, the mom didn't like it, the kids didn't like it, but she had to be the one who stayed at home because she was the wife. Funnily enough, he retired recently and she went to work and both of them have said that they should have done this 40 years ago because he likes being at home and she is far more skilled at business than he was and was quickly making double what he had made. Both of them liked their life far more when they abandoned the roles that they were supposed to do and instead worked towards their strengths.

And in relation to the question about how morality can exist without religion, I refer people to this page as a starting point. Here's a quote from about 3/4 of the way down the page.

 

Everything shouldn't be based on Christianity.
No one religion gets it all right
Even the bible has horrible passages
The only good thing is that most people don't follow all the bad stuff.

You don't need the church to be moral
We don't need hell and heaven
If we do good just to go to heaven and to avoid hell, we aren't moral beings.

The point about child abuse
The cases just show that even a priest can do such horrible acts.
We should not depend on some outside being to be moral.
It should stem from within.

I'm an atheist and I don't find any difficulty in being moral. I don't need divine rewards or punishments or any dogma.

 

Please read the page instead of just the quote, as that is a very small part of the page, and not the full argument. To your point, there are plenty of other pillars/bases that morality can be built upon, such as "survival of the species", "because we generally agree on it", or even "evolutionary biases". To say that there is nothing other than religion on which to build morals is to spout nonsense. There are plenty of people who have morality that is not built upon a religion, and to say that it isn't morality is incorrect. I suppose you could say "correct morality can't be...", but to say that it's impossible for me to have morals is ridiculous.

 

Wait, it's impossible without god to do something to have a positive impact? The only thing possible is to flee negative consequences and not to try and build something?

So you would say that somebody non-religious choosing not to PMO to improve themselves isn't actually doing that?

I love this quote and I agree. Acting purely in our own self interests is a horrible way to live. Greed is not good.