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What were Sodom and Gomorrah's worst transgressions?

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  1. greenmtnboy

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    Being an avid Bible reader I was thinking about what the back story was with Sodom, Gomorrah, Admah, Zeboim and Zoar and their destruction. What led the people into spiraling into such a state of brutal inhumanity? Were these just settlers from much larger city states looking for greener pastures?

    The popular conception of the people of Sodom was that they were sexually immoral, that seems to be common slam.

    But the record, especially in the Jewish tradition is that were unjust in almost all their ways:

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    Rabbi Basil Herring, who served as head of the Rabbinical Council of America from 2003 to 2012, writes that both the Rabbinic tradition and modern orthodox position consider the Torah to condemn homosexuality as an abomination. Moreover, that it "conveys its abhorrence of homosexuality through a variety of narrative settings", God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah being a "paradigmatic" instance of such condemnation.[49]

    Rictor Norton views classical Jewish texts as stressing the cruelty and lack of hospitality of the inhabitants of Sodom to the "stranger".[50] The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins. Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed.[51]

    Other extrabiblical crimes committed by Sodom and Gomorrah included extortion on crossing a bridge/or swimming a river; harshly punishing victims for crimes that the perpetrator committed, forcing an assault victim to pay for the perpetrator's "bleeding" [52] and forcing a woman to marry a man who intentionally caused her miscarriage to compensate for the lost child. Because of this, the judges of the two cities were referred to as Shakrai ("Liar"), Shakurai ("Awful Liar"), Zayyafi ("Forger") and Mazle Dina ("Perverter of Justice"). Eliezer was reported to be a victim of such legally unjust conduct, after Sarah sent him to Sodom to report on Lot's welfare. The citizens also regularly tortured foreigners who sought lodging. They did this by providing the foreigners a standard-sized beds and if they saw that the foreigners were too short for the beds, they would forcibly stretch their limbs but if the foreigners were too tall, they would cut off their legs;[53][54] As a result, many people refrained from visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Beggars who settled into the two cities for refuge were similarly mistreated. The citizens would give them marked coins (presumably used to purchase food) but were nonetheless forbidden, by proclamation, to provide these necessary services. Once the beggar died of starvation, citizens who initially gave the beggar the coins were permitted to retrieve them, provided that they could recognize it. The beggar's clothing was also provided as a reward for any citizen who could successfully overcome his opponent in a street fight.[55][52]

    The provision of bread and water to the poor was also a capital offense (Yalḳ., Gen. 83). Two girls, one poor and the other rich, went to a well; and the former gave the latter her jug of water, receiving in return a vessel containing bread. When this became known, both were burned alive (ib.).[56] According to the Book of Jasher, Paltith, one of Lot's daughters, was burnt alive (in some versions, on a pyre) for giving a poor man bread.[57] Her cries went to the heavens[52] Another woman was similarly executed in Admah for giving a traveler, who intended to leave the town the next day, water. When the scandal was revealed, the woman was stripped naked and covered with honey. This attracted bees as the woman was slowly stung to death. Her cries then went up into the heavens, the turning point that was revealed to have provoked God to enact judgement upon Sodom and Gomorrah in the first place in Genesis 18:20.[55]

    Jon D. Levenson views a rabbinic tradition described in the Mishnah as postulating that the sin of Sodom was a violation of conventional hospitality in addition to homosexual conduct, describing Sodom's lack of generosity with the saying, "What is mine is mine; what is yours is yours" (m. Avot 5.10).[58]

    Jay Michaelson proposes a reading of the story of Sodom that emphasizes the violation of hospitality as well as the violence of the Sodomites. "Homosexual rape is the way in which they violate hospitality—not the essence of their transgression. Reading the story of Sodom as being about homosexuality is like reading the story of an ax murderer as being about an ax."[59] Michaelson places the story of Sodom in context with other Genesis stories regarding Abraham's hospitality to strangers, and argues that when other texts in the Hebrew Bible mention Sodom, they do so without commentary on homosexuality. The verses cited by Michaelson include Jeremiah 23:14,[Jeremiah 23:14] where the sins of Jerusalem are compared to Sodom and are listed as adultery, lying, and strengthening the hands of evildoers; Amos 4:1–11 (oppressing the poor and crushing the needy);[Amos 4:1–11] and Ezekiel 16:49–50,[Ezekiel 16:49–50] which defines the sins of Sodom as "pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and did toevah before me, and I took them away as I saw fit." Michaelson uses toevah in place of abomination to emphasize the original Hebrew, which he explains as being more correctly translated as "taboo."

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah

    Yet we also have the record of Abraham and his intervention on the behalf of Lot rescuing all these people when they were invaded by Chadolaomer, Tidal king of nations,etc. when Sodom and Gomorrah were invaded by them for failure to pay tribute. Why not just let these evil people get liquidated at that point?

    The earlier record was of Abram separating from Lot's men and their entourage. So presumably Lot's men ended up in Sodom with Lot, and when Abraham tried to intercede for mercy if there would just be 5 righteous men, there were none left.

    What stands out for your in this story and its possible relevance?
     
  2. I think they had no morals and they especially did not have God, it says that in the end days the earth will be like those times, and as you can tell we are heading that way fast.
     
  3. And this tells you everything that you need to know about this mindless piece of drivel concocted by some very messed up minds.
     
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  4. greenmtnboy

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    That was in a old Jewish record, Josephus, who was an honest writer for example, relayed what he had heard also. Of course this was a long time before roughly in 1800 bc. Hospitality and how we treat the needy especially with normal human help, have always been marks of a civilized society.
     
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  5. Cool story avid bible reader. Question: why is this in off-topic?
     
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  6. brilliantidiot

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    Because its off-topic
     
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  8. What's wrong with users simply being responsible and mindful. You don't need to be a mod to know what goes where.
     
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  9. brilliantidiot

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    Fair enough.
     
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    Winners write history. Immorality is roughly equally spread among all nations. The texts about Sodomite being totally immoral and having no righteous member in their city is simply Jewish propaganda.

    Think for a moment, what economic damage would suffer a city who murders strangers and passengers, who break their legs only because strangers are too tall for the bed, or stretch their limbs only because they are too short for bed?!?!?!

    Not to say on taking revenge from the furious neighbouring states.

    How would such community ever survive because of lacking social cohesion due to bestiality and immorality?!?!?!

    Their only transgression was that they were conguered by Jews.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2020

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