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My situation - apologies if this turns into a long post

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by anewhope, Jun 23, 2017.

  1. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    I have decided to take a bit of a risk. Probably tonight, unless my wife is obviously tired, unwell or depressed. Long-term readers will remember that I asked her to write to me, telling me things she would like to try in the bedroom and that she never replied. Well I have decided to take the initiative.

    Her natural kink has always been to be tied up (from since she was a young girl) and it is not something we have done for ages - we just got out of the habit of incorporating it in our games / love making. So tonight, when I go to bed I will leave a note on her pillow telling her to report to my room and to come expecting to follow orders. (I will leave her a get-out in case she really isn't in the mood). As I'm normally happier with her taking the lead, this alone should pique her interest. If she turns up, then I will blindfold her, tie her in a helpless position, tease her until she can't take any more and then 'force her' to O. (I have the blindfold, restraints and various toys hidden in my room). After she has O'd, I will release her and suggest we cuddle and go to sleep rather than worry about an O for me. This may take a superhuman effort on my part as I will be pretty horny by then, but I want her to experience something unique and not have to worry about doing something for me as a 'chore' at the end.

    Something may go wrong to derail the plan, but as I said at the start: nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    ANH
     
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  2. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Can I ask the women here a personal question please?

    Sometimes, when a couple make love, it finishes with fireworks, orchestral music and earth-shattering simultaneous orgasms. More often, that is not the case, and one partner finishes first. In my own case, when my wife and I make love, she will often climax before I do. (Usually better that way round as a post-orgasm penis isn't a particularly attractive or useful organ). I adore bringing her to O and then cuddling her as she gradually comes down from the peak and enjoys the afterglow and warm feelings. I love the emotional and physical closeness of those moments before during and after her O more than anything in the world and sometimes get moved to tears of pure happiness. After 5 or 10 minutes, my wife may be starting to drift off to sleep - particularly if this is one of our 'middle of the night' sessions - and then she'll say that we need to take care of my O before she falls asleep. As I probably won't have O'd in ten days and my brain will be soggy with my wife's pheromones, I am normally all too keen to accept her offer. Always at the back of my mind though, is the feeling that it is sort of spoiling the moment for her - we've just taken her to that peaceful, blissful place and her body just wants to drift off to sleep and now we are making her do a chore (OK, it's not doing the washing up or mowing the lawn, but it is still not what her body wants at that point). Then, when she has performed her magic and given me a wonderful O, I do get to just drift off to sleep afterwards, which doesn't seem fair. [My wife has never been multi-orgasmic, so her O'ing before and after me isn't an option].

    So I would like to get the woman's perspective on this. Do you experience the same thing? Are there ever times when you feel you have to 'perform' after your own O when a part of you would rather just enjoy the all-over relaxation? If you can't always climax together, would it be nicer for you if your SO sometimes finished first and then took care of you? I was wondering about suggesting to my wife that we try that sometimes. It would rule out a PIV O for her, but of course there are lots of other fun options.

    So ladies, I'd be really grateful for your insight. Is this ever an issue for you or am I worrying about something that no-one else really cares about?!

    ANH
     
  3. So, for my BF and me, we also mostly climax separately, but he typically finishes first. Maybe we should work on that more, so that I am more ready when he is. Or maybe it's my years of vibrator use that made me not so used to vaginal stimulation... YET. I say "yet", because I do like Os during intercourse, but maybe my body is used to the *external* stimulation more, which can change in time, I hope. Therefore it's usually my BF who offers more services after his O, and I accept them most of the time, unless it's almost morning, he is exhausted, and has to wake up for work early, in which case, even if he offers, I just tell him to go to sleep :)

    There is another aspect you might have not considered, and that is that men lose some *energy* during O, but women gain it instead. It's like we steal it from you guys. That is exactly the reason behind most men wanting to fall asleep right after O, but women often want some cuddling action or are just not that tired right after O. Of course, if it's very late, the session was very *athletic*, or her O was a marathon (I had one of those super long Os lately, after which I was totally exhausted... but happy AF), then she may want to sleep, but it's still a bit different than the way men just drop dead after O.

    So, unless she really seems not to enjoy giving you Os after hers, I wouldn't worry about it. Besides, we love to give pleasure to the one we love. No, it doesn't feel like an ordeal, even after O.
     
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  4. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Hi @novibe ,

    Thanks for sharing; I am very grateful for the insight. I didn't realise that women were secret energy vampires!! :)

    My wife really likes O's during intercourse too, though she can usually only achieve that with one of us giving her external stimulation at the same time. (She's better at that than me, but then she's had years of practice and gets direct feedback on what's working!) I think her ideal is the simultaneous orgasm with me inside her, which solves all the issues of 'who goes first', but needless to say, it is difficult to achieve that every time!!

    From what you say, it sounds like I am probably overthinking it. Perhaps the best thing is to do is just try something different one time and see if we like it. If I O first and then fall asleep straight away leaving her high and dry then we'll know not to try it again!

    Thanks again for your advice. :)

    ANH
     
  5. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Hmmmmm....
    OK...
    Me and Rock Star usually, like 97% of the time climax together.
    Or maybe 2% of the time he goes before me.
    It's maybe .05% that I'm able to go first.
    So I really don't have this problem.
    I really truly wish I did.... If that is not horrible.
    For the reason that I would not think of it as a chore, I simply love pleasure and all that it gives and it would give me a chance to spin everything around.
    I do agree with @novibe.
    Its a amp up for me too.
    I come down after a few minutes... But if it's right after... I'm ready to keep going.
    I hope this helps.
     
  6. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    97% of the time together! Maybe I'm wrong, but that strikes me as unusual and impressive. (Dear Guiness World Records...)
    Thanks, as ever, for sharing @Kenzi :)

    ANH
     
  7. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    Yeah.... You know.... Many years ago...
    I thought this was weird also... (-, -)
    But I liked it.
    We meshed really well together.
    Part of the "why are we broke?" when we broke?
    It was easy to tell.
    He's the only one who I've ever came when he came.
    It's just our thing, I guess.
    I really don't know....
    But he said the same.
     
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  8. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    I am also in the same boat with @Kenzi My husband and I usually are climaxing together. Not necessarily because one of us wasn't going to cum earlier, but because we both choose to hold off. There are times where my husband can tease me to the point of possibly cuming before sex starts but I tell him to stop. We then have sex, and I get to rebuild the pleasure and usually by the time my pleasure was rebuilt he is ready as well and then we both climax. There are also times where my husband is ready way before I am and he will either slow down, take a pause, and then continue and rebuild for him and then we again are able to climax together. Also my husband truly refuses to O unless I have (there are rare times where he does O because he thought I was there when I wasn't).
     
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  9. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Thanks Anna

    Like your husband, I don't like to O unless my wife has too. So sometimes we do manage 'simultaneous', more often it is a case of 'ladies first' , hence my original question. As she gets older, she seems to get aroused more and more quickly and often has to stop me teasing her to avoid finishing too quickly. (I don't think it is just my getting better at it!) Conversely, as I've got older, I can still delay until she is ready, but if I delay too long it then takes me longer to rebuild, by which time she is usually way ahead of me and finishes first.

    It sounds as if you and @Kenzi have both achieved really good connections with your husbands, at least during the good times.
    Thanks again for sharing.

    ANH
     
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  10. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    A quick update. We had a good day. I cooked us a meal that worked out really well and we had good family time watching a TV series we are all enjoying. When I went off to bed, I put the note on her pillow as planned. I shaved to make sure that I wasn't scratchy. I made sure that all the paraphernalia was to hand and went to sleep. (I am getting better at not getting too worked up in anticipation and reminded myself that even if all went to plan, I wouldn't be getting to O in any case). I happened to wake up at about 2:15 and could see from my room that my wife had just gone to her room to get ready for bed and so would be reading the note. 10 minutes passed and then she put out her light and went to sleep! It was hard not to feel disappointed. In my note I'd said that if she was too tired we would save it for another day, but I did expect her to be intrigued by the note and come to play. Effectively I'd said: 'I've got a surprise for you - come to my room if you're interested,' and her response was 'no, not interested.' :(

    So I have just woken up and mentally dusted myself off. I've put the toys back in their hiding places for the day and will get them out again when I go to sleep tonight and hope that this time she has the energy and is in the mood.

    It is all part of the roller-coaster of life, I guess. There is no point dwelling on it and making myself glum. Tonight might turn out exactly as I'd hoped last night would. I had planned to buy my wife some flowers this morning as a surprise and I'll still do that. Let's go for another happy family day and see what happens.

    To all my good friends here, I am not expecting lots of replies to this post expressing sympathy - many of you are coping with far more challenging situations than me. But if you click on 'Like' for this post, I will interpret that as a supportive hug and a 'good luck for tonight.' and it will help put the smile back on my face. Thanks.

    ANH
     
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  11. Your post made me think... We're all so sex obsessed. I mean, a lot of our posts are all about "I got some last night" or "Damn, he rejected me again", etc. I know this is a *special* kind of forum, where we talk about sex a lot. I also understand, that PAs and their SOs have a unique view of sex and all matters of sexuality and intimacy. I just realized how obsessed we all become around these issues (me included).

    What do you think about that? And no, I did not mean this as a criticism of you, but more of an observation of many of us here.
     
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  12. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    @novibe I agree entirely. I guess it is the one thing we all have in common here and the one thing that we are all having issues with of one sort or another. I think sometimes we need to heed the advice that we normally give to newly joined PAs - do other stuff, fill your time with other activities, stop focussing so much on sex and get on with life.

    ANH
     
  13. phuck-porn!

    phuck-porn! Fapstronaut

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    @novibe I think you have connected two really important dots. Yes this is a special place where we can let it all hang out. While nice, that also provides a window into our souls for how we are without the normal social constraints. And yes, in this naked light we are shown to be a sex-obsessed bunch. The PAs understandably are confused and trying to figure out what is normal. What is surprising (at least to me) is how the SOs also judge there health of the relationship by first, the frequency of sex, and second by the degree of non-vanilaness.

    Honestly this seems out of balance to me too. As a person without much sex under my belt (so to speak!) and not much prospect of that changing, I admit I am invested in sex not being the core of the relationship. But apart from my own bias, I wonder if the healthy balance is towards sex being a component, and maybe not even the most important component. This is all just the musings of a confused mind....
     
  14. I agree with you 100%. I just recently realized how my childhood traumas affect my approach to my own sexuality and influence what is important to me in my own relationships. I really need to heal those damn childhood issues for good. I would feel much better, if I could view my life from a more full, holistic point of view. I know I am not *just* a sex object. Hell, I would feel offended if anyone treated me as such. But then in my romantic relationships the whole "sex issue" and how "sexy" I feel takes this completely unreasonable high importance over other aspects of who I really am as a person. Why in my work/academic life, the fact that I am a woman, for example, is always a non-issue for me. I have been relatively successful in male-dominated areas, and always get compliments on that front. Not a feminist, but a true tomboy kind, who will never stop herself from doing stuff she likes, because it's "for boys". Yet in my private life, especially in these romantic relationships, I am always feeling "not womanly enough", as if I truly cared! I don't! So why there it's such an important trait?!
     
  15. This will probably always be a good advice...

    Just dropping by to say, as someone rebooting who has an SO, reading through your journal was a hell of a ride, and a beautiful one. You seem like a wonderful person.
     
  16. I find it interesting how often PAs have found partners who value sex as such an important part of their relationship.

    Maybe it's not that we're sex-obsessed so much as it is that we're really in tune with our sexuality. It's an expression of ourselves, our way of connecting, our way of saying "I love you." Like @anewhope I'm a Physical Touch love-language person so sex can literally be the highest form of I-love you-ness I can offer.

    But beyond that--there's just a certain freedom I feel during sex, a sense of unity that's hard to describe. I've always felt that, even with one-night stands (it's just deeper with real relationships).

    Of course sex isn't the only facet of a good relationship. Maybe for us it just happens to be the one we're best at ;)
     
  17. What an interesting topic of conversation..lol.
    I think when two ppl O simultaneously that just means they are really in-tune with one another. I always let him know when I am about to and vice versa. It sets me off when I know he is. @novibe try outside stimulation during intercourse...you can thank us later ;). A-maze-ing!

    I think this site is so eye opening to everyone on here. Just to see how different or the same we are and how much we can relate and be open about our sexuality. I love all the encouragement we all show one another!
     
  18. EyesWideOpen

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    Physical touch is at the bottom of my love language list but sex is incredibly important to me in my marriage when the intimacy and emotional closeness is there. So when I am made to feel as though the emotional connection means nothing, I will be there in body (because I almost always make myself available to him), but my mind is far away. He is not in tune enough to notice when I am and when I am not. I want to think at one time he did, but since discovering how far back this addiction goes, I truly can't remember anymore. And that's not said for sympathy, it's just one of those things that has gotten blurred over time, i think without us realizing it and now it starting to come back into focus, at least for me. He doesn't open up, so I don't know what he realizes and what he doesn't. But it's baby steps so I have hope that he'll come around.
     
  19. anewhope

    anewhope Fapstronaut

    Another unexpected twist. (Roller coasters have twists as well as ups and downs). Before I went to bed, my wife said that she would like to join me later, but just for a cuddle, NOT for sex. I'm pretty sure this was her trying to talk my love language and give me the touch she knows I need, even though she wasn't in the mood for sex. So that was really good news. :)

    I obviously shelved plan B(ondage) for the night and went to sleep without making any preparations. I woke at around 2 when she came to bed. True to her word, she wasn't dressed up in any way, meaning that she wasn't looking to make love. We cuddled up in various positions for a while, trying to find one where we could be touching but still both comfortable enough to sleep. I was aroused but doing my best to hide it. In stroking her I was trying to convey the message 'I adore you and love your body but I respect your wish not to be intimate tonight.' (If nothing else, my crazy sex life should help me develop highly eloquent hand gestures!)

    After about thirty minutes my wife surprised me by initiating love-making! No details for you, but it was great and we fell asleep cuddled up afterwards :emoji_couple_with_heart:
    Happy days!

    ANH
     
  20. EyesWideOpen

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    That's a pleasant surprise! Woohoo for you!
     
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