It's actually the worst thing you can do to yourself.. If you watch a single porn flick and relapse and move on is a bad thing, but compared to only watching porn for hours without doing anything else is the worst case scenario.. Afterwards you'll face enourmous urges and you'll act upon them.. Also those images will remain in your memory for much much longer than they normally would if you'd just relapse and move on.. So, what you're doing is actually licking the bottle of alcohol and smelling it, thinking you're not gonna relapse..
If you've felt nothing you're either blind or so old or numb that you don't feel anything that is related to sexuality..
Let's see if that's actually the case. Did you not read this thread? I told you why I was able to watch it without feeling anything. Last time I'm repeating myself, in everything there is a stimulus and a response, we watch porn(the stimulus), jerk off and cum(the response) but there is a space between those two which you can go into to become completely neutral to the stimulus and thus be able to choose exactly what response you want to have from a logical point of view with all responses being equal. For my current streak I've chosen to rely almost solely on this method and I personally believe it's going to carry me past 90 days but let's see what happens.
Totally… I wanna go to the beach and not get wet. Then i go to the shore and start tapping the ocean with my legs. Surely, the waves will totally soak me!!. Might work for you, but am very certain the probability for it to work on others is less than 1%
You need to mix your vodka with something.. On topic: I think watching P is the addiction itself, not necesarily just the masturbation to it. Watching P releases very much dopamine in the brain, which is why we are addicted to it. But if it is going to work for you. Then thats great.
You think that because you could watch p without being aroused in one instance, that it’s going to propel you into an 84+ day streak? Look man, I’ve done this before myself, many times. It’s great to be able to do, but it should never be done intentionally.. and it certainly won’t provide you any kind of boost for your streak. The ultimate state to reach is the state where your desire to look up sexual content and masturbate is no longer there. Or if any desire remains, it’s easily denied. It’s not to look up sexual content and then try to remain indifferent to it. That’s only useful in a scenario where you’re unwillingly exposed. You’re trying to pull the weed from the top, rather than digging out the root. The stimulus that you want to control your response to, is any stimulus that would provoke your desire to m or look up sexual content. Whether that be stimulus created in your mind via thoughts, or seeing women on the street, or coming across images online by accident.
You’ve got it backwards. Porn does not create physical pleasure on its own. Masturbation creates the euphoric pleasure which our body craves. Porn is only a tool used to enhance the process of masturbation. Quitting porn is 10x easier than quitting masturbation or sex.
It wasn't just one instance, it was a concious thing I did, the first few times even as I was watching it calmly my body was reacting to it, my heart beat faster, I got an erection and eventually the urge to start touching this erection. But after I found this space I keep going on about I was able to pull the plug so to speak all the energy just drained and no matter what I was looking at, stuff that would easily get me in the past I wasn't having any physiological reaction or desire for it anymore. The key to becoming free is by training a new response and one way to do that is to find this space between stimulus(the signal/information going to the brain) and response(signal goes from brain to body. Essentially I'm intercepting the signal going from the brain to the body, like customs checking a person for anything suspicious before allowing them to enter a country.
I think you might be right that masturbation id harder to quit then P. However, if you look at dopamine and brian changes P has a bigger impact as far as i know. Humans has been masturbating and having sex during their whole history. So our brains are used to this. However, internet P, our brain is not used to that much supernatural stimulus. Our brain thinks we have sex with 20 different super models every day. This release even more dopamine then regular sex. Our brain gets used to these high doses of dopamine and we get desentized. I would invite you to read this: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/mis...-has-not-prepared-your-brain-for-todays-porn/ I am here to learn, so i am open for you to convince me otherwise
Did you read what I said? That’s not the stimulus you need to be worried about. The stimulus you need to be worried about is whatever provokes you to masturbate or look up sexual content in the first place. That could be stress, depression, emotions, tiredness, boredom, fantasy, anything. That is where you need to cut the connection between stimulus and response. I’ve done what you’re talking about many times, and it’s only a temporary level of control. It never lasts unless you discipline yourself at the core. Which means doing what I just said, not trying to control yourself at the final stage. By all means, find out for yourself and see if it works.
Porn is nothing without masturbation. Your brain doesn’t think it’s having sex with all these women unless you’re stimulating yourself sexually (masturbating) while watching porn. Our brains are not used to excessive masturbation and sex just because it’s been done in history. I suppose our brains are also “used to” drinking alcohol because humans have been doing it for so long as well? No, alcohol is poisonous regardless of how long humans have been drinking it. The only problem with porn is that it makes you want to masturbate.
Did you read what I said? I watched porn yesterday and that's the last time I'm watching it because I got what I wanted out of it. Now it's only a matter of letting the method prove itself to me. If I can not feel anything when the porn is right infront of me then any lingering urge while I'm going about my day won't stand a chance, that's my theory, I think I'll surpass my 84 day streak with this.
Thanks for your reply, the studies i have read say that even watching P itself release a lot of dopamine in the brain. A lot more dopamine then having sex. Having to much sex or masturbation do not cause ED as far as i know. It is the supernatural stimulus. The constant novelty makes it very addictive. The article i posted explained this, if you are interested. I see your point about alchohol, and yes it is poison. And release dopamine. But not to the degree that P does. I really believe based on what u read, that P is one of the most addicitive substances we have right now. Where did you base your opinion on that it is only in combination with M that releases the dopamine? And is addictive. Because I am genuinly curious to read more about that
Again... you think because you could watch porn in 1 circumstance without feeling it that it will somehow translate to every other circumstance you’ll find yourself in. Your problem is you talk too much. What you should have done is passed your 84 day streak using this method, and then came and told us about it. Don’t get ahead of yourself.
No, I've watched porn in the past without feeling anything but it was just because I wasn't in the mood or whatever, it wasn't like this where I did something specific to stop my usual response. When I discover something that helps me I'm going to share it with others to help them along their journey, if you don't like it then don't comment.
Exactly, why he doesn't just use the same method as last time as time is beyond me. He was so close to reaching the 90 day mark and now he wants to switch it up? I would just stick to what works and what doesn't.
I don’t care for studies, and I certainly don’t care for studies about “dopamine” which is not even the neurochemical responsible for the high that comes from pmo. I care for my personal experience(4 years now) and the experience of others. Too much masturbation or sex can absolutely cause ED. Frequent emissions = decreased sensitivity. It doesn’t matter what method is used to cause the emissions. P is not the addictive substance. Sexual pleasure is the addictive substance. P does not create sexual pleasure independent of physical stimulation. Do you know why I’m having this argument with you right now? Because if you don’t make the connection that masturbation is the problem, not porn, then you will never be free. Quitting porn does not mean quitting masturbation. Quitting masturbation means quitting porn, because porn no longer has any use. This is why the OP said he watched porn without feeling anything, and why I’ve done the same before. Because if you watch porn knowing that you won’t masturbate to it, it has very little affect. It very quickly loses its appeal and you begin to look at it from a different perspective. 99% of people that watch porn are watching it with the intent of getting off to it. Take away that intent and what do you have?
Reason is because I didn't change during that time, I went right back to old habits, no change in taste or preference, as if those 84 days never even happened, it's because my default state remained the same. I don't have motivation to go another streak that doesn't involve changing on a fundamental level where porn is undesirable. People relapse 500 days in, still experiencing urges and shit, there is no point unless you change your default state. In martial arts/self defense it's known that a person doesn't rise to the level of their training in an altercation, they fall back to their instincts and the point is to train to where your instincts become your training, that's what I'm aiming with nofap.
