Which one is worst , P or MO ?

P for sure.


I've noticed that if I MO without P then I have no porn guilt. I may feel a little bad because I didn't make my goal but I don't feel like I fell back. MO doesn't lead me into a binge. P leads me to binge and causes me stress, anxiety, hopelessness and corrupts my mind.


P is the worse option. The worst option.

If you must MO do it without any images.

 

I couldn't agree more Andrew0268, exactly how I feel about it. I am giving it a go with the no MO at the moment, but anything involving P in my mind is 1000 times more toxic

 

I've read that the P is the problem, or more particular the unlimited amounts and the video.

There was not this problem in the magazine age it seems. Or maybe there was no interernet for people to discuss their findings.

However for a reboot it would seem best to avoid everything.

If you must break the faith, I'd guess the best is to MO and try your best to do it to a real person or at least a non sluttly dressed non porn celeb.

I have my doubts I'll ever find a girl without uexcess financial inducements so I can't see giving up the O. I don't have addiction problems or anything like that, just a life that needs improving and PIED with a female. Long long term assuming I don't find someone I'll probably go back to the MO.


Also. P without MO? What is the point. Dull. Dull. Dull.

 

IMO watching p without MO is worst. What's the point anyway?

 

P is the root of all that is corrupt inside a man's heart. P corrupts your very existence. MO is a straight waste of energy and arguably an unrefined, undisciplined expression of sexuality, but P will do the most damage to one.

Neurochemistry damage/abuse aside, P will destroy your mind and all that is wholesome inside you. Keep watching it if you think I'm just speaking out of my ass, watch your mind and life start to fall apart. Even without MO'ing. The subtle energies of P will seep into your being, and slowly eat away at your humanity.

Anyways one can only watch P for so long before they either decide to MO to it, or join the industry themselves. I've contacted a major producer once when I was drunk asking for an audition.

PMO needs to go entirely for me. I choose to live a higher expression of my sexuality. I found I couldn't vote on one or the other, it's all part of the same addiction for me.

Oh ya, I have to criticize the quote in your sig, Musta. True addictions go beyond mere lack of willpower. I suppose you can blame someone with an addiction for being weak willed, but honestly it is much more complex than that. Often times, willpower alone will not cure an addiction. A real addiction is a psychological defense mechanism so to speak, a psychological process that leads one to self destructive behaviors unfortunately. This is often caused by deep emotional pain or feelings of powerlessness. Dr. Lance Dodes speaks it best in his books. http://www.lancedodes.com

 

P with or without MO is pretty bad, so it's the worse decision. It's the reason why we're here, porn is doing us harm! Back when porn isn't a thing, you won't see people facing the same challenges right? Because masturbation per se without external stimulation isn't all that harmful besides being drained in energy by it, but it's so closely connected to porn during PMO that it should be abstained as well.

 

I've found that whenever I MO it always makes me want to watch P to get a bigger high, and whenever I watch P it makes me want to MO, so I'd say they're just as bad as each other.

 

Definietly MO. It's strange that so many people think P is the worse one. Most of my life I have masturbated without porn and I was just as ruined as any other guy. Porn has nothing on us without masturbation. If we don't masturbate to them, they're nothing more than fake actors having awkward sex. In most of my relapses I didn't even watch porn, yet felt the terrible effects anyway. I don't think porn has anything to do with lethargy, loss of concentraion, energy loss, sleepiness, less attraction from/to women...etc. I think it's time we accepted that masturbation is a vice and should be kicked out of our lives, and stop underestimating its harmful effects.

 

There are 2 threads about some article about 32 or 33 reasons not to M.

It would seem MO without the porn can be pretty bad.

However unlike the article it would seem that there must be a wide varience in effect on people because pretty much everyone does it and based on the article society would be in a much worse state than it is.

 

hello,

i think it depends on the case.
Some lose control with porn but masturbation is not a problem.
Some lose control with masturbation.
Are there scientific litterature on the subject?

 

Thank you so much. I have a serious problem. I hate myself.

 

For sure, for me they walk so hand in hand.

The question is like pick your poison but if I had to live without the other, I could manage without P.

 

To me I can't have one without the other. Its that feeling that makes me feel so sad. But porn triggers the MO so I think porn is worse.