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Mental Illness and Rebooting

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Icarus_Landing, Jul 20, 2018.

  1. Icarus_Landing

    Icarus_Landing Fapstronaut

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    My question involves a higher level of knowledge about mental illness and psychology.
    I'll try to be concise.

    I started by cutting back before going cold turkey by slowly reducing the intensity of the porn I watched. I went from hardcore videos to photos of "real" women in bikinis, etc. Right now I am attempting "easy mode" or occasionally MO without porn. I have noticed that my sensitivity has increased where in the past I have struggled with PIED. I am on day 24. That's the good news.

    Here is the challenge. I have been living with Bipolar II for 15 years. Two and half years ago (after several suicide attempts) I had a plan in place to kill myself that would not fail. I gave myself an ultimatum and decided that I would try Electro-convulsive Therapy (ECT). I'm not here to debate the merits of ECT. It saved my life. Moving on. My entire life had fallen apart and over the past 2 1/2 years I have slowly rebuilt it earning my associates and bachelor's degrees (something I believed I would never do). I am now searching for a job and I am attempting to transition into living independently for the first time in almost a decade. To say the least it is a very stressful time for me. Moving to another state and starting a career is stressful for people without a serious mental illness.

    I have been experiencing (since starting reboot) extreme symptoms of anxiety, depression, muscle tension, nearly every side effect known for rebooting. I believe this process has exaggerated the Bipolar symptoms I normally experience. I have spent the last several years mastering my Bipolar symptoms to an extreme level of control and discipline. I know myself and my capabilities inside and out. My symptoms have gone from manageable (through work and constant vigilance) to disastrous. My symptoms would normally rate, on a scale of 1 to 10, 4-5 at the most. Now they are 8's and 9's.

    Here are my ultimate questions:
    Am I making a mistake? Have I chosen a bad time to attempt a reboot? Would I be better off doing "hard mode?" Does anyone else have experience with rebooting with a serious mental illness (Bipolar, Schizophrenia, Schizoaffective)?

    Thank you.
     
  2. Health is key

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    Hi man, I am not a psychologist but I am of reasonable intellect. I am a university tutor and a PhD student so hopefully my opinion might be of interest. I am not going to address your case directly as I am concerned that I give you incorrect advice. However, I can give you what I have been through. I have had significant trauma in my life and suffer from depression and bipolar. I have contemplated suicide many times but have never attempted it. I will say this. about 2 weeks into a reboot I lose so much emotional control it is crazy. I become very suicidal and cry very intensely for days. However, after around a couple weeks of this my brain chemicals stabilize. I genuinely believe porn destroys the reward system in your brain so dramatically that it makes it feel like the world around you is collapsing. Every time I relapse I go through the same process and once I get through this phase my brain chemicals tend to stabilise and I actually feel fine. It is bazaar!

    I do highly suggest going cold turkey for a month and telling yourself that no matter how bad things get it is because of PMO. Typically after that period my mind stabilizes.
     
  3. What you describe are typical symptoms of dopamine withdrawal. Unfortunately, the ECT cannot have prevented this. There are a lot of guys on here who are going through the same thing. Depression and anxiety are very common withdrawal symptoms. Scienticifcally, it's been proven porn can cause a (massive) release of neurotransmitters like dopamine, with levels being similar to those seen in cocain or heroin addicts.

    Withdrawal from pmo unfortunately is not avoidable in the most severe of cases. It depends on how long you've used porn and to what extent. These withdrawal symptoms can be pretty severe and can either be acute or chronic (lasting several months to several years).

    Once you're in withdrawal, and it sounds as if you are since you've been trying to cut back, it is absolutely crucial to abstain from all pornography and masturbation. Neglecting these symptoms can and will prevent or delay real recovery.

    So yes, you have to go hard mode if you want to get it over with. It's a long bumpy road, can feel like a personal hell, but it's absolutely crucial that you turn your back to this addiction if you want to see the symptoms improve.

    Good luck.
     
  4. Porn withdrawal symptoms that sounds like mate, known as protracted withdrawal or post acute withdrawal syndrome. The only way is to push through. I won’t sugarcoat it.. it’s hard as fuck at times but it’s the only way back to normality I’m afraid.
     
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  5. C.HNF

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  6. Icarus_Landing

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    Well, I've made it to 6 months no PMO, so I think that is an accomplishment. I tried to reboot multiple times over the last 6 years. I always failed because I tried to do it cold turkey "hard mode". I stopped PMO'ing and MO'ing but I always relapsed. Right after I created this thread I figured out that approach wasn't going to work for me. I stuck with MO'ing to just my imagination, deleting my Facebook account, and treating all stimulating images as pornography. Eventually, I put a time constraint on how much time I had to let pass before I MO'ed after I saw a sexually stimulating image. I figured out that if me MO'ing within about 2 hours of seeing something stimulating my brain associated that dopamine release with that stimulus. I'm six months in and I already know that there is very little chance I will ever PMO again. I have changed the way I view porn. It has become a dangerous addiction. I avoid it like I avoid cocaine and ecstasy (used to do both). Ultimately I just needed to find a way to get past the initial psychological disruption of withdrawal symptoms. I did a step down approach and that has worked for me. I appreciate you checking in on me. How are you doing?
     
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  7. C.HNF

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    Glad you have managed 6 months already. Congrats. Well for me, I haven't PMOed since Dec 2018. I did however MOed only 3 days ago. I did so because I was afraid of the flatline and this loss of libido thingy. The withdrawal symptoms that I find unbearable are psychological (depression, depersonalisation, derealisation, panic attacks and whatnot).
     
  8. Icarus_Landing

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    Why are you afraid of the flatline? Are you in a relationship currently? Yeah, withdrawal is a bitch. No doubt about that. It's weird to say this but drug addiction and the recovery process actually prepared me for my reboot. I was very familiar with the symptoms and so I was able to identify them and come up with a plan. What's your plan? What steps are you taking to stay PMO free?
     
  9. C.HNF

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    Actually, ever since the day I started PMO ( I did so on my own btw without even knowing that NoFap was a thing) I have never had the urge to PMO or even O. A total loss of libido. The fact that I knew nothing about PAWS made my anxiety and depression worse because I thought I was gonna go insane. I didn't know where those panic attacks and depression were striking from. I even went to see a doctor and was prescribed an antidepressant.
     
  10. 7 months by tomorrow for me. Yesterday was though, had the whole day in withdrawal pain. But today so far so good. I don't know about pmo in the future, but for now even million won't make me doing it.
     
  11. grayjustin

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    Through the federal plan, lawmakers and their staff members had about 70 percent of their insurance premiums covered by the federal government. The Obama administration made an exception that allowed them to use the D.C. small-business exchange to receive health-care stipends from their employer. Which is good for us but this insurance doesn't cover all the disease or others. Is therapy covered by insurance? I have some mental illness and I need therapy which costs a lot of money which I don't have, to pay for it.
     
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