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Should I Change Therapists?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by hiddentaurus, Jan 8, 2021.

  1. hiddentaurus

    hiddentaurus Fapstronaut

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    Couldn't find the proper category for this.

    So this is my second therapist. The first one I ever went to literally looked at me like a deer in headlights when I told him about my porn addiction. He treated it more like the real problem was my THOUGHTS on the porn use. Kept saying things like "Everyone does it." "It's normal." "Why do YOU consider it a problem?" and so on. I never went back.

    It's been about 2 months with this new shrink. For what it's worth he's a cool laid back dude. I'm pretty comfortable around him despite the fact that he talks a little too much and actually interrupts me when I'm talking. That, I find a little annoying.

    Anyway, I told him about my problem and it's gone about the same as the first guy. He acknowledged the seriousness of my symptoms (most brain related stuff; attention deficit, brain fog, lack of motivation, social withdrawal/anxiety etc etc). But he thinks I use porn as purely a soothing mechanism for anxiety. Which I think is a slightly warmer analysis but not quite it either.

    I use porn compulsively pretty much every day. Doesn't matter the kind of day I'm having. Good or bad. I have used porn in relationships, sometimes right after having sex with my partner after I get home. I can think of a few times I've consciously used it to relax myself from any kind of stress or anxiety, but those occasions are certainly the minority.

    I brought up Gary Wilson's "Your Brain On Porn" to him and directly mentioned my desire to eliminate the habit entirely. But it doesn't quite seem to catch on with him. I'm not minimizing the importance of self-acceptance. But I've always preferred finding practical methods for dealing with problems rather than doing nothing and learning how to accept things and feel better. The 'doing nothing' aspect of that approach is what causes my anxiety.

    Because he views porn use as only a symptom and not a primary condition, I'm wondering if I should keep trying to convince him or just hunt again for a new shrink. Am I perhaps thinking about this all wrong?

    At this point, I am seriously considering rehab.
     
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  2. Trobone

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    Addiction is many times a symptom of a larger problem - escaping negative emotions (such as anxiety) is one of those larger problems. Is the new therapist a CSAT?
     
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  3. Tahini

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    I wouldn't discount the value of making your life better. If you have more pleasure doing the stuff that makes up the rest of your life outside of porn then why would you ever need to jack off? If you stop jacking off then you're going to have time on your hands... what are you gonna do with it, just lay on the ground and stare at the ceiling???

    You're trying to break out of compulsive addiction, which indeed is very very hard. Maybe you should try to probe his thoughts about how people break away from pot or cigs or alcohol? My intuition is that his approach to those addictions will - rightfully - be very similar to how he's approaching yours.

    For me, the "practical methods for dealing with" masturbation addiction was to learn other behaviors to replace the time I spent masturbating.
     
  4. hiddentaurus

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    I had to look up CSAT but yes sexual addictions are part of his qualifications.

    You said it yourself "Addiction is many times a symptom of a larger problem." Meaning it is not ALWAYS a symptom of a larger problem. I am saying I am not a person this applies to. Hence why I specified in my post that I use compulsively regardless of mood. I know myself well enough to know the difference between days I use to relieve stress and days I just use because it's part of my routine/habit. Usually it's the latter.

    Pornography addiction is itself a symptom and a primary condition. That latter of which means that people who started watching and using porn at an extremely young age simply out of curiosity (hand raised) can develop problems just from continued use of porn. It does not need to be preceded by some underlying issues or trauma to become a problem. I started watching porn because I found the imagery arousing and (not knowing the harm) I saw no reason to discontinue. And because of behavioral repetition, now the habit has gotten out of control because my brain is conditioned to the act. It's not a soothing mechanism, it's an embedded habit. It's like saying everyone who bites their nails does so because they're extremely nervous and must calm their nerves. Not totally true. It is also a compulsive behavior reinforced through repetition.

    Which brings me back to my initial concern that I may just be spinning my wheels if the shrink isn't able to make that distinction.
     
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  5. hiddentaurus

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    Right that makes a lot of sense! Thanks man! I'll definitely approach the topic from that angle with him. It's funny you mention that because I actually do have a number of productive things I fill my time with outside of porn. And I do get a lot of fulfillment from engaging in them. The issue really is just one of commitment and seeing them through. I have a bad habit of picking up projects and putting them down before completion. Which I've read has a lot to do with porn addiction shrinking of the Pre-Frontal cortex (which controls impulse).

    I did enough research on symptoms and correlative brain change to trace many of my behavioral problems to my porn use. For some people it can be the reverse (Behavioral problems that LEAD to porn) but my fight really is to control the behavior. Case in point, I felt more alive than ever during my long nofap streaks. Other aspects of my life became incredibly easier to manage. Just keeping up with the abstinence was a bitch.
     
  6. MixerAwersome

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    I have read all your comments and I think you are in another phase than anyone who is suggesting you things, nobody can understand your situation right now cause their addiction to porn is different.
    Your addiction to porn is like you have to do it no matter what, you are bound to do that thing, nothing big is motivating enough for you to stop masturbating, ours is mainly driven by triggers.
    I suggest you go to an expert who has handled porn addicts before cause this type of therapist can't help you.
     
  7. JLD

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    Since I suffered a lot in life I've been in therapy for the last eighteen years. With, let's say, six different therapists. I've touched the major approaches (psychodynamic, cognitive-behaviorial, humanist and systemic). The current therapist, which is of course the best, I have been with him since the past nine years. And I came to the conclusion that no therapies/methods/approaches/etc. are better than semen retention, cold showers, breathing exercices, meditation, fastings, social activities, good health behaviors, positive and vibrational music, nature activities and physical training (prerably a fighting art as it's more beneficial).

    I'm still going to keep the therapist I have right now as it helps to work on emotions, but the best moments in my life have been the results of what I said previously and not therapists.
     
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  8. onceaking

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    I think if you feel like the therapy isn't really working for you then you're better off not going on with it. It's concerning he interrupts you, makes me think he isn't actually listening to what you're saying.
     
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  9. CodeTalker

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    Huge red flag.
    A therapist should listen.
     
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  10. Dave G 123

    Dave G 123 Fapstronaut

    Just my thoughts, having gone down a similar road: - like others above, if a therapist interrupts, he's not doing his job. He may need to respond and guide a therapy session, but if it feels like an interruption to you, then that's what it is, and it suggests to me that he's not really listening, and thus not really doing his job.

    I've seen several therapists for my PMO problem, and none of them took it seriously. The first was just like your "deer in the headlights", the last was a decent enough therapist, but just didn't seem able to understand that you can get addicted to porn, so there were lots of exasperated moments. I ended up quitting, after several years, and thousands spent of my hard-earned cash. I learned more about addiction generally, and made more progress from reading books by Dr Gabor Mate (especially In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts).

    Most therapists are woolly minded baby-boomers who think that sex and porn can only be good for you. If you can find a therapist who has genuine experience in porn addiction, then maybe give them a try, but I'd be wary of anyone who markets themselves as a sex-addiction therapist, because they will have that kind of attitude, and from my experience they won't be able to change it. It's hard to try to change people's minds on most things, most of the time, but why spend your money trying to (in effect) educate a professional about porn addiction, who should be doing this stuff in their own time and at their own expense as part of their own professional development?

    Have you considered using an online Nofap coach?
     
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  11. justname

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    Change therapist? Why you go to therapist in the first place? We all can lift ourselves up like crazy and shine. Nobody needs therapist ^^
     
  12. A good therapist:

    • Makes a treatment plan
    • Is listening, understanding and affirming
    • Is empathic
    • Is creating an atmosphere safe enough to show your vulnerability and gives space for expressing your real shit
    • Is not trying to solve your problem but helps you understand and help you to solve the problem yourself.
    • Is listening, asking questions
    • Is listening and asking more questions.
    So what's gonna be it?
     
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  13. Trobone

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    I'd add that a good therapist makes you a b it uncomfortable, pushes you to think of things you might not without help, speaks uncomfortable truths and it's afraid to call you on BS.
     
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