Porn is the enemy, not Masturbation

Hi @captainhelpyou No more porn is certainly the way to go! Here's to the resolution!

 

I'm glad it's starting to get to someone, masturbation is still no good, but nothing critical if it happens 1-4 time a month, in other words, you did it and calmed down, cause you have a life outside of PMO and in that case it is not like obsessive addiction

 

That's dangerous for your sex life , when you mustabate it lowers your sexual performance, you won't perform when it comes to the real thing

 

Just sharing.
When I have gf, I really no need to watch porn or fap; but after she refused to make love with me for almost a year, I am totally lost and fap harder than I meet her.
I would say having a stable relationship could help us from fapping, but what if one day she doesn't wanna give you anymore?
I hope, one day, I could tackle this problem by myself.

 

Dude, you have to remove masturbation altogether. If you keep masturbating, it means that you are dependant on it. You are still a slave of sexual stimuli. You should cut masturbation off as well. It lowers your sexual energy whic is connected with your vital energy and as someone said, it lowers your sexual performance.

 

i would say both are bad but masturbation is worst your losing your seed and energy

 

Try to take out both

 

Porn and Masturbation are both connected to lust, I mean how do you M without lust? M will just feed the fire. When you read around on the forum you can find plenty of guys who tried to M without P. Those guys ended up craving the full experience. M is like an alcoholic walking into a pub, it reminds him of all the pleasure he could have. Not a good idea.

And even if you should manage to M without P, can you respect yourself doing it, do you feel proud of yourself after M? If not I think that's a good indicator it's not a healthy behaviour.

 

Never saw any porn, M. destroyed my life kinda. So for me personally this post is bs. But hey, you are you and I am me.

 

C'est ce qui m'enmene ici, j'arrive plus à satisfaire ma copine et ça m'intrigue. Surtout quand elle me dit ''tu me laisses sur ma faim''.

 

Well, masturbation alone can be compulsive in some cases, and if one is quitting porn one should also quit masturbation, at least temporarily, cause masturbation can be a gateway to porn. But if one can be 2 years masturbating only once a week, that is fine. If it were, in your case, a gateway to porn, you would have relapsed sooner.
There is no science whatsoever about "vital energy", "losing seed", etc. That's nonsense. I've been without porn and masturbation for 125 days (now I relapsed, unfortunately). The dark shadows of porn disappeared and I became freer and started to change my life. But I didn't acquire superpowers, my day to day state was almost the same, only without the effects of addiction. Porn is already so difficult to beat, that demonizing masturbation without objective evidence (except some personal experience) doesn't seem right to me. Not masturbating can help you just like a dopamine diet (of prank videos, games, etc.) can help, but the real monster is the addiction, porn. I will not masturbate now because MO leads to PMO in my case, but human being masturbate for a long time, there is no supernormal stimuli in that, that is not a new thing, out parents did that and are pretty successful. Quit masturbation because of being addicted to porn, that okay; to quit masturbation just like one would do the intermittent diet, in order to increase self-discipline, among other things, okay. But it is not per se unhealthy, just like food isn't unhealthy

 

I've experimented with both: no porn & masturbation and just no porn.

I feel there is a HUGE difference.

Basically I think if you continue to masturbate you're not really learning how to hold huge amounts of sexual energy. You're still into the tension/tension release cycle, which most men are in their whole lifes.

And I don't mean this like "everyone should get rid of all sexual thoughts or lust."

In fact, my experience is, not masturbating actually is a form of embracing your sexuality and sexual energy. It just becomes so sharp, so raw, so embodied, if you can hold huge amounts of it, and discipline yourself to not give in.

Women will notice it and it makes them trust you more. Cause you own your sex-energy. You're not one of these 'bad behaving dogs' who just look for an opportunity to shoot their load, cause they can't handle it.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Masturbation is also not away out.most masturbators are fantasizers and sexual objectifyers. M to fantasy has the Same effect as porn

 

I just wanted to congratulate you because I think so many people who are struggling here would consider it an utter victory if they would only masturbate once a week or watch porn just here and there. From what you wrote it comes down to me you are a bit hard on yourself and you are definitely taking the right step for completely wanting to give up porn, also give yourself a lot of credit for how modestly you were doing it at your worst because trust me, you are above majority of the people fighting this damn nightmare.