Sceptic about all this no masturbation...

Maybe your statement "I agree that Porn is bad" needs clarification. Why is it bad for you?

Does Porn objectify women in your mind, making real woman less interesting? Imagination will do the same (internal porn vs. external porn is the same in this regard).

Inclusive of the above point, does porn cause sustained erection problems with real woman? Imagination porn would carry on the problem.

Is porn simply a social evil kind of thing for you and nothing else? Then, perhaps imagination doesn't matter here.

Also, aside from porn, does the masturbation "grip" effect cause sexual dysfunction in real vaginal sex? Then, masturbation is a problem regardless of porn.

Does masturbation replace sex with a real partner or is teaching you to replace sex with a real eventual partner? That may be a problem in itself regardless of porn.

How does your partner feel about P or M? Or, is it all hidden and secret? And Why? That may be a problem.

Does M alone have any other detrimental effects for you as some report - sluggishness, wasting time, hardened feelings, testosterone drain, lack of confidence, shyness, anxiety, guilt, etc.? If not, there's no problem for you here.

If you have no moral issue with masturbation in general as some do, then M is not an issue for you in this particular regard.

Does that help you discern further if either P or M are destructive for you? If none of the above apply or will apply, then maybe you need no recovery from one or the other.

 

@Dargi i can tell you that i didnt gain anything from nofap.And iam doing it for a year now.

@JoeinMD very good advise man.

I had sex with 2girls in a year which is good for my standards. I PMO'd some hours before they came and i had no trouble getting it up its when you trust these girls and they treat you well and youre not nervous you should get it up no problem. A lot of people are misdiagnosting themselves because see above and blame porn for it.
And my focus didnt go sharper after 44days of no PMO. Seriously. What nofap did to me was realize that i have to change my life.. or well not really. Breakup with my ex did that. It went so far sometimes that i thought that i am a complete loser because i relapsed and that i couldnt get girls. Good it isnt like that anymore. All these success storys for me are bullshit because i drastically reduced my fapping in a year i never fapped less in my life before 13. For me Nofap is just a mindset. Also when i relapsed i think sometimes "damn i failed" and immediatly start working my butt off because of guilt. People say you become lazy. For me its quite the opposite. Well i had my share of nofap for that year and monk mode.
Now i fap when i want to. I dont see women as objectives (people say you only see them as sex dolls after tons of porn , what bullshit lol its just because they dont have sex and are angry , its about respect). I am just here to continue my journal and help some users.

Nofap maybe glorious for some people and i really respect peoples willpower. And i dont doubt it has some good effects(which i experience after 7days of nofap and then at day 10they are always gone). But it is overrated 100% by most people here. If you believe nofap is the cure and you work your butt of in real life then that is great. People do good because they believe in imaginary things that is also good. As long as you do good everything else doesnt matter.

I hope my critics help some users.

 

You're right about people not only giving up PMO but also making drastic changes in their lives. However, those changes and decisions have happened mainly due to, you guessed it, giving up PMO. My personal experience is that you start to gain more energy and motivation to do stuff. You can decide where you channel those and many people have chosen to improve other aspects of their lives with the help of these newfound energy and motivation.
Everyone here has their own unique history with PMO and reasons to do Nofap. No one is being forced to do this. If you think people are lying when they speak about the benefits they have experienced during their journeys, then you're free not to believe them.
Nonetheless, I encourage you to take on a 30 day challenge, for example, and see if you experience any positive changes yourself. 7 days is a nice achievement, but it's not enough to get any major changes. Think of it like working out: you can't have noticeable gains in one week, but give it a month of hard work and it's a different story.
I wish you all the best!

 

Give it a time bro ,nothing is acheived very easily !
when there will be chnage and when you will see changes !they will be worth it!
and you will be seems happy thereafter.

 

i think it's okay to think of real women and masturbate. at times even porn can be healthy for your sex life, if you're like watching the porn with ur partner n sort of having role plays.

for me porn was addictive as i was watching it while traveling, watching it all the time. once even at a relative's place i watched porn while the cousins were in the other room. i would also jerk off a lot. have done it in the office. so for me i know i probably should stay away from porn n mast as it's taking too much of my time, energy.

it's not that no mast caused enthusiasm, but when i jerked off i'd feel low. not cause i didnt do the challenge, but i'd feel some drainage of energy, a laziness took over, an indifference towards the entire world n some self-hatred at the realization that how much this act has control over me.

 

Good for you man, that's awesome. Of course it's possible to achieve great things even when you're masturbating regularly, I'm not denying that. I too started working out before I even knew about nofap and while I was still feeding my addiction to PMO and lost about 13kg and became more active over all and seemingly happier. But even so, my addiction still had me in chains and clouded my mind pretty much every day. Even though my life had improved a lot in two years, my addiction to PMO was still draining my energy and life force, thus making everything feel dull and hardly anything got me genuinely excited, including real life women. Pretty soon after starting NoFap earlier this year(I had a streak of 72 days), I started noticing changes in my mood, appreciation towards small things in life and attracted to real women too. It became a lot easier for me to talk with girls and people in general and so on. You get the point. Some aspects of my life was OK before doing NoFap, but after, pretty much everything became better.

That's a great reason to give it a try. It's a very common reason too. Porn, and masturbating to fantasies desensitize you brain and affects you in a way you just described.

I hope you will find your way. Good luck.

 

Awesome questions @JoeinMD . Especially "Does masturbation replace sex with a real partner or is teaching you to replace sex with a real eventual partner?". That nailed it.

@Dargi try to focus on the process, not the results. They do not come quickly as we'd like to. I do not have ED or any other sexual dysfunctions, nor actual P addiction, but my NoFap journey NoFap made me realize a couple things about PMO (maybe even just MO) :

• it killed my life energy and made me feel weak,
  
• became everyday habit,
• made me objectify women like a lot (I would JUST look at the sexual parts of their bodies),
• pushed me into loneliness and sadness because it would take up my free time i could use to do something I want to achieve

It's when you realize that, and direct that energy and extra time you have into doing something you've always wanted to do but felt "too tired", then you actually start transforming your life. You develop new habits, new skills that make you progress. You start to feel alive! You're happier than ever and you wish you had discovered all this earlier.

 

Bro, you gotta read this thread I wrote recently!

http://www.nofap.com/forum/index.ph...reak-nearly-5-months-clean.48996/#post-343900

Thanks,

~Squeaky Soul

 

WHAT THE HECK IS THIS. This threads are all Out of sense. How can you say Masterbation is Alright. You are lost. @Daggi, You said you feel good after doing this shit. Well, It will take some few months before the Deadly PMO effects Rain on you. We were also like you.

If you want to continue with pmo, go ahead. All this effects that the fapstronaunts are saying are Completely true and nothing less or more. Continue lyirto yourselves as you kill yourselves slowly. This posts should be barned from Nofap.

 

You say: "i don't have gfried for now With gf yes it will be easy to not m i think"

Maybe you haven't been in too many relationships? As I don't think it really works that way in real life.

If you're generally given to M and you have prepared yourself with years of reinforcing this habit, as soon as your gf doesn't feel like sex one night or needs to visit her parents or had a hard day at work, you give into the excuse to M this time, but this time becomes many times - then you're caught into all the other pitfalls of M in a real relationship. And, oftentimes frequency of sex decreases with a real partner after a year or more. Are you going to be caught into the M trap there, too, so that when sex is suddenly available with your interested partner, you are not available or you're now disinterested? - hence, bye bye distrustful and miscommunicating relationship. You are suddenly alone again with all the free time you want to MO or PMO (might as well, huh?)for the rest of your life. Your choice, dude. Prepare now while you can.

 

Like you just said the story of last 3 years of my life. WTF. Amen. Thank you. This finally helps me understand.

 

And understanding helps you not need PMO to cover up and medicate the previous non-understanding and confusion. Good for you!

 

I understand your struggle...for most of us, the lethal combination of Porn-P, Masturbation-M, and Orgasm-O, or PMO, when combined together constitute an addictive cycle that can keep us isolated, listless and depressed....if you would consider, trying a Hard Reset for 30 days, as an experiment, my experience is that you may start to attract women, and may find yourself with a partner within a relatively short period of time...if you find that completely impossible, at least refrain from porn, if you can, and you will likely experience a boost in energy and focus...but, alas, for most of us porn junkies, masturbation is fraught with peril, since we often open up a channel for the porn fantasies to come back when we masturbate, and get a dopamine hit, and often start craving porn again, and then go back to it....
This is a great question, my feedback would be really, to try a hard reset, no P, M, or O for 30 and see for yourself what the result is....if you want to try to incorporate healthy masturbation after that, go ahead, but for me, there is nothing like changing your energy, then attracting a partner, then sex with a partner you care about.....hopefully that is part of your goal, and I believe it is achievable, and helped greatly by NoFap...

 

No masturbation. Why? Because it causes depersonalisation/derealisatiom. End of story.

 

I have been off porn for almost 180 days now, i noticed good effects from the start and it was definitely a good decision to stop watching it. However i once tried softcore porn + no masturbation and the effect was horrible. What i have noticed after quitting porn is that the urge to masturbate lessens, it does not feel that much good anymore.

I noticed huge change since i started nofap again this month, however if you are on nofap you need to find an outlet for your "sexual energy" otherwise you will end up failing sooner or later. I can go far just by willpower(31 days was easy for me) but in the long run i need to change the way i live to suit nofap better, to the way i want to live my life, nofap is merely a tool of many you need to use in order to change your life.

If we assume no female are available i am not sure which masturbation frequency that is optimal, i guess once every weak is a good choice. Sweden is not the easiest country to get a girl in but i cant blame my bad luck on my appearance (i become accepted to beautifulpeople with one of my photos), i simply spend to much time on the computer and currently almost no time meeting new people.

If you use your imagination while masturbation the imagination part should have a beneficial influence on your brain, just like meditation. Also i am pretty sure people have been masturbation for thousands of years(depending on culture).

My concentration ability clearly gets worse when i am on nofap, but i am still able to get more stuff done, i am most productive after 'relapsing' (i reached the goal both times)

 

Sex is an.exhange of energy between e.g. man and woman. Masturbation is having sex with thoughts, thoughts cant exchange energy with you leaving you with subconscious anxiety over why you havent regained any sexual energy from your partner, your mind.

On some level youre.fooling your brain, too much will cause you issues. Best to stay away from.it all imo. I have dp/dr so.im staying away