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Sceptic about all this no masturbation...

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Dargi, Oct 7, 2015.

  1. Philip1990

    Philip1990 Fapstronaut

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    if you want a good discussion you have to deal with critics and have arguments. If you just say "end of story" , "fapping is bad mmmkay" wont help OP. A wise man will always ask questions and never blindly follow. @Dabri you should continue your nofap quest for atleast 40-50 days and then write down how you feel and what you accomplished/did not . And be completly honest if it was due to Nofap.
     
  2. Dargi

    Dargi Fapstronaut

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    well i try. i only hope that sexual desire will get weaker over time. Because last time it really made my life much more harder.
    positive emotions of nofap ended and day4-5(probably when ne testosteron reached max lvl).
     
  3. Ms Disciplined

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    6 days free - too much of anything is bad, and if you are addicted to masturbation then it is bad for you. I have been with this since I was 3 yrs old and I am 31 now and I have decided to put and end to it, sometimes there are things that hinder our growth that I have learnt and moving forward means quitting everything detrimental we have been doing before, until I stopped masturbation before I had a relapse I didn't know what it was like to orgasm during sex, then I finally did but the bad thing was I discovered a new easier way to masturbate and that caused a relapse and I included porn and so on and so forth but retracing my steps I want to concentrate on moving forward! If you are having second thoughts about it then maybe you should stop, if you are totally fine with it then to each his own
     
  4. nfprogress

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    In the long run, I tend to agree with you that M can be very beneficial. I also agree with @Philip1990's advice to continue. Skepticism is a fantastic personality trait, but so is the capacity to have an open and unbiased mind capable of gaining perspective through new experiences that run contra to your current belief system.

    At day 7 it does make your life harder. The feeling of those urges are uncomfortable. You have the option to develop your mind to the point that you can harness those urges that your mind currently rebels against and learn to perceive the build up of energy as a source of power instead of as a nagging libido that needs to be directly relieved through M. You gain an understanding of addiction, of how to manage time, how to manage distraction, how to view women differently, how to control urges and take a disciplined approach to life, and many other things. Like many other life experiences, what you get out of it is highly dependent on what you are willing to put into it. Learning to lean into discomfort and face this as a challenge is an opportunity for you to grow. It is not just rewiring against P.

    I am a bit concerned that you may not have a deep enough experiential understanding of how habits are formed to fully appreciate a hard mode attempt without trying it. Without a porn addiction, M once or twice a week isn't even a challenge (this is me speaking from experience as I do not have an addiction to P). It is right at the point where those thoughts about sex are so strong and they are so distracting that you learn to control the thoughts without having to M or O. It is up to you to be able to see where the challenge is and how to grow from it. The way you challenge yourself may be different than I how I seek challenge. But I will say that distance and time yield a new perspective and seven days isn't enough to draw reasonable conclusions when it comes to rebooting in hard mode.
     
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2015
  5. Pirlo23

    Pirlo23 Fapstronaut

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    I agree, in part. Masturbation helps you relieve stress and your prostate. So it really is beneficial, however like everything done in excess it can be very harmful for your prostate and your sex life. I masturbated every single day or even twice o three times a day and it ruined my prostate and my sex life. I couldn't get off with a woman while having sex, my penis was completly numb. If we are talking about masturbation then we should also talk about porn. The woman you see in porn are not real, they are shown as sex slaves and make sex look like a violent thing in which one is a master and the other a slave. This is a dangerous message to the younger population who are virgins and haven't experienced sex. Sex should be about reciprocate pleasure, about love, not violence.

    NoFap saved my sexlife and it helped me get over my delayed ejaculation problem cause by excessive and "death grip" masturbation, here's my post about it if you're interested: http://www.nofap.com/forum/index.php?threads/cured-my-delayed-ejaculation-after-41-days.48791/
     
  6. Septimus

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    Here's my take on this.

    > I don't buy the notion that a person is incapable of going without masturbation. Is it hard? Absolutely. But that's far from saying it's not possible. There are people on this site who can testify to going very long without it. For me it's been 17 weeks. Others have gone far longer.

    > Nor do I think it's true that there's something unhealthy about abstaining from sexual experience. If what you mean is that someone is limiting his/her experiences of life, that's true. If what you mean is that more encounters with life and the world can be beneficial, that's true as well. But that's not the same thing as saying it's "unhealthy" to abstain (either temporarily or permanently) from sex or sexual stimulation.

    > The stress argument is bogus, because while it's true sex or masturbation can relieve stress, so can lots of other things. I'm not saying sex is bad; I'm saying, if you claim, "I need this to deal with stress," that sounds like people who justify a drink or a cigarette. It's an excuse.

    > I do think masturbation is a bad thing, but that's based on what I believe sex is. Sex is something in us that, by it's design and nature, draws people together and creates life. It's not the same as love, but it presupposes love, and prompts a profound depth of love. There's a reason we use the term, "making love." That's what SEX is. What is masturbation (with or without porn) in relation to that? I'd argue it's at the polar opposite. Love is generous, love sacrifices for the other. Masturbation is none of these things. It's a substitute; but notice, all the elements that make love, love, are absent from masturbation. Even if someone faps to thoughts of the one s/he loves, in the end, that act isn't loving, because the person you love got nothing from that; you gave nothing to the person about whom you are fantasizing. It's really about getting, not giving.

    Of course, if someone believes sex is mainly about recreation and pleasure, then my argument may not make that much sense. All I can say is that I don't believe that's what sex is really about; those are aspects of it, but not what it IS.
     

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