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80% sure I want to do this...

Discussion in 'New to NoFap' started by jjnf, Sep 22, 2017.

Should I quit porn?

  1. Yes

    66.7%
  2. No

    25.0%
  3. See if you can reduce amount you watch

    8.3%
  1. jjnf

    jjnf Fapstronaut

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    Hi guys,

    I'm about 80% sure I want to quit porn and about 20% sure I want to quit masturbation.

    My past and present:
    I've been obsessively watching porn since I had dial-up-internet in my house, looking back.. I must have started around 15 or perhaps slightly younger.

    I never did well with girls in School, I was the typical nice guy.. I didn't have sex with a girl until I was 18 years old. I did have a few opportunities, but I was raised as religious and even though I didn't remain religious, I still regarded sex as a special thing that should only be enjoyed with someone special.

    Masturbation didn't feel special to me, it was a disposable thing and a stress release. I was horny a lot and didn't see a problem with looking at porn every chance I was on the computer, which was nearly every day. I very quickly went from looking at soft-core teen stuff to hardcore group sex and rough sex.

    I'm now 31 and haven't stopped watching porn for more than a few days in all the years since I started. That's a lot of porn!

    Currently my porn habits consist of searching, downloading and watching hours of porn every day. Within the last few years, I've searched almost entirely for interracial porn, preferring to look for interracial gangbangs, blowbangs and cheating porn. Just thinking about it and writing this turns me on.

    I have spent so much of my life looking at it, thinking about it and spending so much energy in the world of porn that I am now seriously considering quitting porn altogether.

    Like I said -- I'm about 80% sure I want to quit.

    The damaging parts of porn have been:
    • Lower energy, lost ambition
    • Bruising my penis and on various occasions horrible swelling up
    • Loss of endless hours of my life: Sometimes, I've masturbated for more than 12 hours, avoiding sleep and going to work feeling completely empty. On many occasions, I've said to myself "ok, I won't watch porn today", then I do, telling myself "only for a few minutes".. but before I know it.. 5 hours have gone by.
    • I think it makes me more angry
    • I'm never satisfied with the porn I have, I must have over 200GB on external hard drives.. I still long for newer stuff or search endlessly for older videos that I might have missed in the categories I like. I'm even at the stage where I make animations and photoshop pictures to increase the fantasy.
    As a side note: Not sure if people on here are familiar with "daygame" (it's meeting women in the daytime) well, I've become very good at it, thanks to years and years of working on myself and facing my fears... so porn hasn't hurt my sex life, it's just the stuff I mentioned above.

    In terms of quitting masturbation, I'm not quite as sure.. It seems likely depriving myself for no good reason.. I haven't masturbated without porn for a while, although I'm sure I could easily do it.

    I wonder if whoever reads this could give me their thoughts and also their experiences... Similar or different to mine

    Thanks
     
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  2. NewManV

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    Hey man, preaching to the choir here. I can relate on much of your situation: downloading and viewing porn daily, habit for many years, literally hurting your body from over-fapping.

    I thought I could keep it under control for the last few years, but when I got back into dating after my divorce, I had a case of ED (maybe performance anxiety, maybe porn or both), and it gave me a scare. it took several rounds of trying/failing till I got to the breaking point and deleted everything on my computer (that was tough). I eventually found this site of like-minded people wanting to improve their lives and relationships.

    Maybe porn won't hurt your intimacy with women, now or in the long-term, but it's something I don't want to take the chance with. Plus there's all the other downsides with porn. Good luck with your journey and know we're all here to help each other out.
     
  3. Septimus

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    Welcome! I'm glad you're here.

    Your honesty is great, that's pretty important. You said you are "80% sure you want to quit." While I'm not you, of course, my own sense is that you will need more than 80%. At least, I know I did. It was only when I really came to loathe and hate the porn and what it was doing to me that I was motivated enough. The thing is, when you get out of the gutter, and clean up, and get a few days into recovery, you may start saying, oh, well, it wasn't all that bad, after all, maybe I just overdid it a little...and you can end up right where you were.

    This is a hard battle to fight, and it will be very tempting to give up before you've really won it.

    If I can help, let me know. Keep coming back!
     
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  4. Alcyone

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    Like many of us, you are like a person who for years has eaten too much and now knows that to be healthy, he must be on a diet.
    But those who are on a diet, like those who have to quit smoking, find hard to hate the food they liked so much, in the same way as who should stop smoking will find hard to hate cigarettes. And this is the hardest thing: you know that there is something you like, and you know you have to give it up, and it's a very great deal to you.
    However, if you realize that the vice you want to give up is conditioning your life to the point of ruining your job and harming your health, even because of sleep deprivation, then you have to consider your will to stop not as a sacrifice or a punishment, but as a way to enhance and take care of yourself.
    About the question "should I quit porn", I think that after ejaculating your will to keep this shabby habit is really strong, and you want to do it never more. But when urge comes, you aren't lucid any more and you think nothing would be more beautiful than watching porn and fapping...
     
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  5. Alcyone

    Alcyone Guest

    Just as a drunk man wants wine again, so porn makes us tired, but never satisfied...
    You might think "when I'll download those few pics, then it will be enough, I'll keep them on my pc and I will not look for other photos", or "I'll look at those porn pics, but without fapping", you already know you'll not do so, and you will be prisoner of your vice until ejaculation will put an end to your thirst for porn.
     
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  6. jjnf

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    Thanks for the responses, it's nice to talk about this and get it out in the open.

    I think the most damaging aspect that made me sign up to this site was that often a masturbation session takes hours out of the day and I lose energy and ambition to do my work... it's affecting quite a lot of my time and energy at this point.

    However, there is still a voice in my head that says "it's no big deal, it's just escapism and it's fun"

    One of the things i mentioned before was that I am good at daygame, I can literally meet 30 girls in a day, on the street, in coffee shops, museums etc.. and get 10 numbers and have a good time.. I'm not saying that to boast, I'm saying it because it is a superpower, compared to how lonely and unable to meet women I was until turning 25. I think the fact that I have that and a love of tantric, respectful, sensual sex in real life counter-acts the extreme fantasy driven porn.

    Ahh... I don't know what to do here..Iit's very tempting to commit to it, but like you say it probably needs to be 100% motivation and I don't have that.

    Another thing I see a lot on this forum is a big feeling of "guilt" and "shame"... I don't feel that personally - I make no apologies for watching porn, I like it, I don't believe that the porn I watch is shameful at all... I know there is a huge amount of abuse porn out there, but if the porn is negative like that, then I won't watch it.

    I would even go as far as saying that some of the porn I watch is beautiful, even the hardcore stuff.. because it's animal expression, and as a human-being I believe that animal type desire is a part of us. it's not a bad thing unless it gets out of control I guess.

    I think it's easy to paint porn as an evil, bad addictive thing, but I don't 100% believe that it is, that is probably why I'm not 100% motivation.

    As you can see I am quite conflicted... Any thoughts would be appreciated.
     
  7. Alcyone

    Alcyone Guest

    Perhaps you should prefer the quality of a relationship with a person, rather than the amount of people you are dealing with, because they are human beings, each with her own story, feelings, soul. I apologize, but you made me think to Mozart's Don Giovanni (Don Juan) and the list of his conquests made by his servant Leporello: "Here's a list I would show you, Of the fair ones my master has courted, Here you'll find them all duly assorted, In my writing, will't please you to look: Here is Italy, six hundred and forty, France is down for five hundred and twenty, Only two hundred the Rhineland supplied him, But mark the climax, Spain has already one thousand and three, Here are Countesses in plenty. Waitingmaids, nineteen or twenty....";)
     
  8. I agree with you. I don't hate porn. I think a lot of people in here demonize porn, although I do believe that there are boundaries that are being shattered in the industry these days. For me, it's like alcohol. If you can handle a few drinks with friends from time to time, you're fine. But, if it's controlling your life, then it's time to rid yourself of it entirely. There's a reason that you ended up in here and there's something to be said about that. Try a reboot. See how long you can go. Keep track of the changes you experience, significant ones and the more subtle ones. You never know. You might surprise yourself!
    I hope this helps you to grab that other 20%. Good luck!
     
  9. jjnf

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    I wasn't expecting that response, that reminds me to re-watch Amadeus.

    I do prefer quality relationships, I'm not all that fussed about dating a lot of people to find the right one/s though. In fact because I can choose who I spend my time with the quality of personality, looks and connection are improved, way more than it would be settling for someone who I don't really want to be with.

    If I hadn't learned this skill of meeting people, then my porn situation would probably be 10 times worse now.

    Having a problem with porn 7 years ago motivated me to go out, be social and face tons of rejection... but it means that now I have the confidence to approach anyone I like.

    I was just illustrating a point.. I have many options (just as I'm sure you do) and I don't have a problem connecting or having healthy sex... so, I think that counteracts the porn fantasy world to some extent.

    I appreciate your response, any other thoughts would be appreciated
     
  10. jjnf

    jjnf Fapstronaut

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    Last night I said to myself this is it, I'm stopping (after many hours of the day had been wasted)

    Today I'm putting my thoughts out in the open, which has helped. I'm tempted to watch porn again tonight, but I won't, I'm giving a few days at least without doing it.. I will see how I feel.

    What's your experience after stopping for a few days or a week? Do you notice any difference/big benefits?

    Thanks
     
  11. I've been PMO free for 7 weeks now. I wish I could tell you that it's been a wonderful experience for me. It hasn't. It's made me question my existence. It's made me sad...sad that I lost so much of my life to such a worthless habit. But, it has also helped me to take life a bit more seriously. I think about my goals a lot more these days, even though I haven't taken any big steps yet. I feel more present in the moment and not stuck in a haze of fantasy and artificial gratification. All in all, I can't say that I've experienced any of the so called super powers. But sometimes it only takes a few small changes in our habits and thought patterns that can get us over the hump. That's what I'm hoping for in the long run.
     
  12. jjnf

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    cool man, that's really positive

    I'm currently on day 25 of meditating each morning - I use an app called "Headspace" I recommend it for being more present and valuing life

    I hope to hear more about your progress

    Some other positive stuff that I'm doing (in addition to at least reducing my porn) is using the website "meetup" and meeting new people who share my interests... maybe that could help you as well

    I'm glad there are other people on here to talk to about masturbation, porn and life

    thanks for you comments, means a lot
     
  13. Yeah, I think I've heard of that app. Thanks for the recommendation. I'll give that a try. I've also been considering meetup lately, but the idea of it brings back the feeling of my first day of school when I was a kid. Just need to muster up some courage and motivation.
    Anyway, welcome aboard! Seems like you've put quite a bit of work into self improvement already...So you're ahead of the game coming in to this.
    Good luck and let us know how it goes.
     
  14. jjnf

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    Headspace is very helpful, it's helped me to feel strong even when there are a lot of turbulent emotions in my life - very healthy as well, so I gonna keep doing that..

    Here's my morning setup, if you're interested:

    Wake
    Splash water on face and have a small drink of water
    Short meditation using the headspace app (just sit in a chair in my bedroom)
    Shower
    Breakfast
    Watch some comedy for 20-30 mins
    I've tried all sorts of things in the morning, but this seems to be doing me a lot of good.

    Meetup was great when I went travelling, met some great people.. good thing about meetup groups is you can decide how social you want to be.. for instance, there is a group (or lots) for watching movies and then chatting a bit afterwards.. or you can go to full on adventures with people - so there's plenty of options for taking slow without that "first day pressure", remember most people who will attend are in a similar situation.. In a new town/city, just want to connect with people, so there's no awkwardness at all really, just ask people where they are from and what else they do etc.. before you know it, you will be more social and feel more connected to the world (at least, that's been my own experience) I personally used to go red and have panic attacks so bad that I had to lock myself in the bathroom for 30 mins, so my advice would be to sign up for a bunch of groups and then decide which ones you want to try.. baby steps are the key, social stuff can feel so hard when you've got used to isolation.

    Then there's always the slightly bigger step of learning how to meet and attract people for relationships/fun - like I said, I learned to do daygame, which is much nicer and more natural than going to clubs (which I hate). You could learn to approach people that look interesting and just be social, then learn some skills to cultivate attraction and explore the dating scene a bit. Whatever you do, I think moving in the right direction is the most important thing, we clearly all have bad days/bad years, but moving forward even just a tiny amount can make a big difference to how enjoyable life can be overall.

    I've invested tons of time and energy into personal development/self help and even psychology. It works.. does it fix every problem? No.. but life is imperfect isn't it, so maybe just moving forward a tiny amount is all we can do sometimes, the easiest thing, and perhaps most powerful, is helping people/one person - you're helping me and hopefully this message will help you and others a bit.

    I'm impressed that you're 7 weeks into this - amazing discipline!

    I might do a daily journal on here.. do I need to start a new thread on the forum for that, or can I just keep using this thread?
     
  15. I'm definitely a morning person myself. I think it's the most important part of the day as it allows you to set the tone. Probably the best time to meditate too. It's sounds like you've found a positive morning routine for yourself. I've found that stretching and 4-5min of any sort of exercise can also be a great mental boost!
    It's encouraging to hear about your experience with meetup. I like that there are so many options and that there's no pressure to jump right into mingling like at a party or a club or whatever. I'm not familiar with daygame, but it sounds interesting and I'd like to know more about it. It seems like you've come a long way since having panic attacks a locking yourself in the bathroom. It's stories like yours that keep hope alive for people like me who are struggling with these issues. I think it's all about taking those first steps and for me, nofap is the first step!
    I'd suggest starting a reboot log. Just go to the menu, find your age range, and start a thread. You have a lot of positive and interesting input that a lot of guys in here will find helpful. I hope that you do and I will certainly keep track of your progress.
     
  16. Alcyone

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    This would be impossibile for many people. For example, I usually wake up at 6:20, have breakfast, get ready to go out and go to work, where I must be at 7:55: no time for meditate or watch TV, but no time to think to porn, too ;)
     
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  17. Alcyone

    Alcyone Guest

    Sometimes I realize I go to pornographic sites just to try to be less present and forget what is wrong: sometimes, in everyday life, we have problems that make us anxious and give us a tension from which we want to try to escape. There are those who escape getting drunk, and those who take refuge in porn...It is certainly not a way to solve problems, but it breaks the tension. So, the matter - in my opinion - is not to find a way to be more present to reality, but to avoid to enlarge daily problems by continuing to think about them; a way to have fun and forget reality...but in a healthier way!
     
  18. jjnf

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    Alcyone..

    I'm not sure if you are trying to be negative, but to me it is coming across like that. You seem to be picking at small parts of what I am saying.. It's almost entirely out of context, and your responses don't feel constructive. This is one of the big reasons I tend to avoid forums in general.

    I'm not telling anyone how to live their life, and as much as I appreciate your feedback on my posts, I think you and I just see the world very differently. I respect the fact that you are on this forum trying to improve your life, and wish you luck in your journey. However, I would ask that you don't just post negative stuff or preach to me about what is right and wrong and make judgements. We are both human beings finding our way.. let's keep it positive dude.

    I don't expect that we will agree on everything, so feel free to share your opinions, but if it's just criticism then there's no real value in it. Have a great day
     
  19. Alcyone

    Alcyone Guest

    Of course, I didn't want at all to criticize, but only evaluating whether for me or for others these solutions might work. It is obvious that we all are in our own way, and what works for one may not work for others.
    I apologize if I felt negative (it was not my intention), and of course I consider the tips of each of us to be precious :) because we are struggling the same battle, even if with different weapons or strategies!
     
  20. D . J .

    D . J . Fapstronaut

    Welcome to NoFap where you are amongst friends who are here to encourage you and sometimes challenge you but not judge you.

    The enemy is here to steal, kill and destroy. What are your current strategies for combating the enemy called PMO?
     

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