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Just live and let live, unless of course someone happens to believe homosexuality is a sin. In which case we should condemn them, call them names, and do our best to alienate them in every conceivable way.

 

I stand corrected.

 

And how do you define homophobia? Is it homophobic to believe homosexuality a sin? Is that hateful?

 

It's not to do with being a SJW which is a ridiculous term that bigots and people who don't want to be criticised for their hateful/discriminatory behaviour coined in order to "hit back"- just be a decent human being and don't hate others for things they can't control and how they choose to live their lifestyle. Just live and let live.

 

You seem to be determined to argue some point.

My point, that I made clear was that on these forums you treat other posters with respect. Calling someone sick for being gay is hateful and homophobic and if those who think it isn't have some issues.

 

So when you imply i'm a bigot and hateful and discriminatory, are you practicing what you preach? to "live and let live"? Because, you see, I do try and love people, all people regardless of race, creed, or sexual orientation. But i'd be the worst sort of hypocrite if i believed homosexuality was a sin but was afraid to say so.

But you would judge me for that as hateful and a bigot?

 

I think there are forms of homosexuality that are sicknesses. I think transgenderism is likely a form of mental illness. I also have a sickness - I am sick with porn addiction. Regardless, I will continue to try and love all people. I was not called to merely love the healthy, but the sick. This is what I am called to do as a Catholic.

You get to judge me now. You've laid out your criteria and I fit. Fine. Judge me - you clearly believe I am a hateful bigot. But, please stop with this "live and let live" bullshit. This "don't judge" bullshit. It makes you sound like a hypocrite.

 

I didn't imply you were.

However I will answer your question, yes I do practice what I preach, I don't go around forums online attacking people online for their views or believes- for instance- I haven't gone to one of the religious threads and challenged the views of the people their, even if I don't agree.

 

Having an issue with someone because you don't like the hurtful or hateful things they say is not the same as having an issue with someone for judging someone for who they are- if I were to judge someone it would be based on their actions and not for something they can't control.

IF an that is only an if I was judging you, it wouldn't be because you are Catholic or even if your on personal belief on homosexuality- but if you or others (who did this) state that gays or transgender are sick as a matter of fact (despite zero evidence) then of course I would have an issue with that.

 

Yes, that is essentially what I'm saying. Now, if by 'repercussion' you mean people getting angry with me, or disagreeing with me, then of course there will be repercussions. There will always be those kinds of repercussions when we go against the mainstream. But if by 'repercussions', you mean that I shouldn't complain if I'm put in prison for refusing to use someone's preferred gender pronoun, then no--I do not agree at all. Aside from death threats, there is no speech that should be punished with incarceration. None.

(and by threats, I mean actual threats--like, "he said he was going to murder me in my sleep". Not this "he refused to use my preferred pronoun, so therefore I feel threatened" BS)

Because if you actually love someone, you'll care about their choices. What if an alcoholic said, "It's my life to live as I choose--why are you disagreeing with it? My drinking isn't hurting you at all."

But it is hurting you, if you care about the person.

Now I know where this goes, "dude, that's really unfair to compare someone's sexual behavior to alcoholism." But is it? Gay men are roughly 15x more likely to catch a STD. They are 3x as likely to think about suicide, and 5x as likely to attempt it. Not to mention the fact that anal sex can cause severe problems in the bowels and lower intestine. Biology isn't tuned for anal sex--and while that doesn't make it an abomination, we certainly shouldn't be surprised when men start having problems after they've repeatedly put their reproductive organ into the part of another man's body that serves as his waste disposal.

There are perfectly acceptable reasons to care about someone else's sexual behavior. In fact, I'd suggest that the more you love someone, the more likely it is that you would care.

There are dozens of reasons, a couple of which I just mentioned. Just because you don't acknowledge them doesn't mean they don't exist.

And that's good. In this day and age, you should be commended for that. But on the other hand, you have to recognize that disagreeing with someone or challenging them is not the same thing as attacking them.

In this very thread, there have been a couple comments that I would consider "attackatory". But for the most part, I see a lively discussion among people who disagree about a provocative issue.