Binging black pill content

I don’t really want to be engaged in conversation with you. Thanks.

 

I have seen this whole theory that you need to be extremely good looking in order to get a girlfriend. Take a look around, alot of times a beautiful girl is dating some loser than looks like he woke up in a dumpster. Dress properly to look good, wear perfume cologne, take care of yourself, find yourself a life goal, and work towards it. You'd be better than 70% of the guys out there. Sometimes I am really surprised to see who women choose to spend their time with. I guess thats why porns so big nowadays, crackheads be targetting the beautiful women so they can pimp em out

 

I you don't want to have a conversation with someone, don't mystically quote them and then tell them to draw their own conclusions.

Is it that I'm not qualified to tell people to get over themselves? Is it because you misread a quote? Is it because you'd rather feel sorry for yourself than change? I don't know. I'd like to know.

 

Maybe he just doesn't want to talk to you. He just literally said that. You can't force someone into your perspective? lol I mean who the hell are you anyways to try and define someone else according to your perspectives and beliefs? If he doesn't agree with what you're saying then move the hell on. You're not a damn qualified NoFap life psychologist. You can't force someone into believing your perspective.

 

Well if you want to quit because your average or worse go ahead, just know that there are people who aren't quitting. Self actualization vs depression comfort, pick one.

 

All I did was ask for clarification. That's all. I didn't criticize what he said. I didn't call him a whiny poopy butt. I didn't make disparaging comments about his parentage. I asked what he meant. He said to draw your own conclusions, and that's not how polite people who are interested in learning talk to one another. Note, I am not claiming to be the educator. I am asking to be educated here.

How is "what do you mean by that?" forcing a person into my perspective? I am just asking what he meant. That way I can say "Oh wow! I was wrong!," or "I see your point!" I can't do that because I don't know what the point is.

Please point out to me how I defined @echofriendly. Or @StayClean&Proactive. Or you. Or anyone else here. Committed blackpillers, I defined them. I didn't define those who are considering their content.

I don't know if he agrees with me or not, because I don't know what he meant. That's literally all I have been trying to learn the last few entries of this thread.

There are no qualified NoFap life psychologists because that's not a service the forum provides. We're all just a bunch of dudes with opinions. StayClean solicited opinions. I gave mine. Then Echo said something about my opinion but wasn't clear and refused to elucidate, and now I'm here. How did I give you the impression that I was forcing my perspective?

I do not understand.

 

I think he's saying it's easy to say it's not about looks when you're 6'1, ripped and good looking.

 

Hes not even interested in talking to you, why do you still pursue? He doesn't need to give any validation or clarity. Regardless of context. I think you're upset because he doesn't consider your opinion of any value, or just doesn't want to. But it definitely is clear that you are upset.

Yea, this sounds like your a tad bit upset. And saying " Is it because you'd rather feel sorry for yourself than change"? hmm that sure sounds like a personal opinion being thrown onto someone else, hence judging, hence trying to define someone else according to your own viewpoints.

Either way, its interesting how you're still pursuing it, even though the initial response was he did not want to talk to you.

 

We are on a discussion forum. It's not unreasonable for someone to ask someone else to clarify their comments when they are quoted in said comment.

 

That would be a whole branch of conversation I would be interested in exploring. If that's a sentiment @StayClean&Proactive resonates with, or you or @Ajar resonates with, I'd be happy to share my thoughts. Then you could share your thoughts, and I could listen/read carefully, and perhaps advance the conversation with the new input in mind, and we could mutually benefit from experiencing new perspectives on this controversial issue. You or anyone can let me know if you're interested.

I pursue because what he did is rude. It's improper. It violates the informal rules of discourse.

Discourse is, ostensibly, a sharing of the minds so we can learn from one another, and each grow closer to the truth. Some people don't use it that way. For some, it's a domination game where we compete for intellectual submission, or to score metaphysical "points." In this model it's assumed there is a winner and a loser, but under the auspices of the first model we both lose, because neither of us comes away having learned anything.
From the outset of the conversation, I have assumed the first model. The original question is implicit, there's no question marks. However, it announces an "addiction" to black pill content that has gotten "so bad" that StayClean has given at least one content producer money. The information being sought is familiar ground for a long time NoFap veteran such as myself, it's posed in the same despairing, half committed style as the guys on the verge of full relapsing into addiction. "I feel like this is bad, but I just can't seem to help myself. Give me a reason to keep fighting, and not surrender to an idea that I do believe could be damaging to me in the long term." So, I gave reasons. It was all strictly informal, and I was aggressive, but my points were simple. 1, black pillers assume physical appearance is the only reason they can't start a romantic and/or sexual relationship. I propose there are other reasons, namely, a bad attitude on part of the black piller. 2, physical appearance is one of the least relevant attributes to consider when searching for such a relationship.
Echofriendly cherry picked my response for quotes, and left no clarification. It already appeared to me that he was operating under the second, to my mind inferior model of discourse, and was seeking to intellectually dominate me. Just in case he was conversing in good faith, though, I asked for clarification. He refused to offer it. Even under the rules of intellectual sparring, this is poor form. It's the equivalent of sneaking into the ring and slapping a guy in the face, then running off and declaring victory. If it were a good point he believed in, he'd have the gumption, the chutzpah, the testicular fortitude, to stand by it and declare it for what it is. Instead he implied the points self contradict rendering one or both of my points invalid, that he's already won without even offering the opportunity for me to respond. It's like looking at the chess board and saying, "you have a poor setup, I know how to defeat it. Therefore, I have already won, I am the better chess player." That first assertion may be true. Maybe it is a bad setup. Maybe you do know how to defeat it. Fine. If that's what you want to do, sit down and play. We'll discover who is the better player, here in public, and everyone watching can decide. Instead, refusing to further engage, adds a false sense of mystique and superiority to the one who refuses to play.

Anyone could jump into the ring with Connor McGregor, or Leon Edwards, and kick him in the ribs when he wasn't looking. Anyone could slip onto the court and steal the ball from Stephen Curry from behind. But then to walk off and behave as if this "victory" proves the better athlete, it's an egregious insult. It's galling. I suppose chasing after that and demanding satisfaction is sinking to that person's level, but at the same time, if there are those present who are already sympathetic to black pillers and predisposed to thinking Echo's implied accusations are good arguments that solidify their own biases, that's bad for everyone. I believe I have the right, at minimum, to point out what cowardly behavior this is. At maximum, I really would like to engage with the argument in good faith so I and others can possibly benefit.

And yes, I was upset, my meds were changed up and I was having a bad day.

I threw that out there as one of three possible meanings behind the cryptic behavior, and left the door wide open for him to correct me. Initially, I just wanted to know what argument he was making, so I didn't waste time barking up the wrong proverbial tree. When I floated self-pity as one of the trees, it was a rhetorical device designed to bait him into discussion, but leavened with two other scenarios and the possibility for even more, and a request for him to correct the record with the truth. Instead I got contempt. I did not define him by any viewpoints then. I'm defining him now, not necessarily as someone who feels sorry for himself, though that is still a possibility. I am definitely defining him as an intellectual coward.

His initial response was to talk to me. He quoted me. He chose to get involved. Then, when asked to solidify his position, he refused. I'm pursuing it because I was personally offended, but also to make a public spectacle of his behavior for further social instruction, for the benefit of other observers. What Echo did is not proper forum etiquette. He is not playing by the rules.

You and everyone else can decide if this assertion is correct.

 

Some of that stuff is hilarious, but if you’re an insecure guy, don’t watch it.