Devil's advocate.. Middle ground stance on porn?

You are becoming Keanu Reeves from the devil's advocate

 

See.....all I can say is that
What I have observed and studied in past few weeks
That porn is not our core problem.....the crime sure has rise....but it was also happening 50-60 years back
Now we have media coverage on every negative positive thing so we think world to be in a worse state
Off course it is leading to a more dark age.....
But violence was also happening a long time back .....
Chengiz Khan the cruel emperor used to rape the empire he won in battle
He killed so many people in his life time. ..... it's around million in numbers
And he was filled with lust....
There was no porn in his time . ...but the condition of law system was more worse.....
He had so many child in his life.....
Even whole Mongols were like this .....they destroyed everything they stepped on
And it's believed around millions of people today are genes of chengiz Khan....I know it's funny....
But that's what historians say
So.....I think porn is just a sadistic approach of today's men women towards sex
And whether there is violence in it or not.. .it still messes up our brain
And it demotivates in building ourselves

 

in my opinion, if you were to take out all the immoral practices seen throughout the porn industry (abuse, degradation etc), porn would still be a huge problem. we need to remember that porn hijacks the reward center of the brain, and that results in a variety of nuerochemical adaptations which are consistent with the addiction model. this is why it's so fallacious to compare pornography to the more organic pleasures we experience -- watching the sun rise doesn't cause physical and nuerochemical ramifications to our well being.

the addiction model is not defined by whether or not a drug/substance can kill you, it's defined by physiological factors such as sensitization, desensitization and dependancy. all of these factors have been observed with pornography, water, well not so much.

 

I need to take time off all of it. Sometimes I see attractive girls and I don't even see them as sexy now. See how it goes.

 

I think this is a good question.

Lots of the 70’s full length porn movies with a plot have little to no violence. Women were treated a lot better and the sex was, for lack of a better word right now, beautiful. No degrading pounding of one of her holes to put it crudely.

So I think your question is: Is the porn with “beautiful” non-degrading sex scenes okay to watch?

My opinion is no.

Reason is, it’s still something you’re substituting for reality. For the married / attached man, he’s tempted to substitute his aging, wrinkling SO with watching a tight skinned actress. For the single man, he’s tempted to stay on the easy route and avoid real women and just keep watching the non-confrontational actresses that never say no and gives an unrealistic view of romantic relationships.

Once again I think it’s a good question. My opinion once again is, don’t watch the non-violent porn either.

 

Yes, as others said youre still left with chemical addiction. If sex was as diverse and available as porn we would have much more sex addicts than we have porn addicts. When heroin was available in pharmacies at the start of 20th century it didnt cause an apocalypse. People are kinda setup to specific range of functioning, diversity of experience, and if there is too much of a good thing interfering with that they recognize it and stop feeling good to be able to feel more diverse. And as much as third wave feminism is nonsensical, it has become a powerful idea. In practice you cant ask these questions cause feminism is more powerful than the answer(truth).

 

Yes, the middle ground between anti- and pro-porn feminists is to support pornography that they can agree isn't oppressive. We're much more focused on our own situations than the feminists are. We are trying to manage addiction and they are trying to figure out the difference between oppressive and liberated sexuality.

 

The reality is this. When you watch a porn scene, you don't know what goes on behind the camera. All you see is the highly edited version. Even in the so-called "beautiful" sex scenes, you don't know what the actors think of each other, you don't know what arguments happen off camera, you don't know anything about how they got there. And I'd venture to suggest that most of the people who watch those scenes probably don't think of those details (and wouldn't care if they did). And the counterpoint to the argument against the "Abusive" porn is that those people are being paid to be abused. I really think the reason people get into porn in the first place in most cases is because it simply pays better than flipping burgers.

To be totally honest here, you're not really in a war against porn anyway. You're in a war against yourself -- and this is a GOOD thing. One individual is not going to make any difference to a multi-billion dollar industry and has limited capacity to influence other individuals anyway. You shouldn't waste time arguing about whether or not porn is good for "society", you need to ask whether or not porn is good for you. If porn has turned you into a shut-in who never socialises with other people - you need to quit. If porn has taken over your life to the point where it's all you think about (even when you're at work), you need to quit. If your porn tastes have escalated to things that you previously found repulsive (or threaten your legal rights within your community) then you need to quit. You get the idea.

 

Very well put.
Even if the girls look like they are enjoying whatever type of sex is happening, it still doesn't help people to watch a recorded sexual event from the past via their computer screen.
Apparently a more ancient part of our brain just thinks it is seeing a possible mating partner, and so our physiology starts reacting accordingly. We then feel emotions and invent justifications.
That's my current understanding anyway.

 

Porn is inherently evil; no doubt about that.

To come to this conclusion you need to ask yourself the question: "What purpose does porn serve?" You'll find yourself wondering and realizing only 1 real answer can be found, and that is, "mainly the pursuit of pleasure."

Us humans tend to associate intense pleasure with positivity. Unfortunately we also mistake it for happiness. Happiness and pleasure are two different things. Happiness is long-lasting, whereas pleasure is not. Pleasure can even eradicate happiness. Just think about how you felt last time you saw porn. You may have felt excited when you laid eyes on porn, but you may also have felt very depressed after seeing it. There's a reason for this. Pleasure is addictive. Pleasure leaves you feeling empty, craving more of the same.

To understand how pleasure affects us, you'll need to understand how the human brain and body work. Certain physical mechanisms involved in either addiction seems to suggest that everything religion warns humanity about, has a core of truth. I.e., certain actions have certain consequences. Call it sin, karma, ... We seem to reep what we sow, by how we're designed. Watching porn is one of these things that keeps us stuck in a state of low vibration. There's just something very, very dark about porn that affects everyone involved.

Porn just has this spiritual component that is hidden in plain sight. Women are objectified, sometimes even abused or raped, because of pornography. Some of these websites even don't care about calling themselves what they truly are: evil.

Rest assured that porn only has one agenda: enslavement of masses. The people that are producing this are not only demoralizing society, they're becoming ridiculously rich in the process. Adolph Hitler was called a monster for calling pornographers subhuman in the 1930s. Now I don't agree with everything Adolph Hitler said and did, far from it, but you need to ask yourself the question: "Are we really free today?"

 

Yes, porn is inherently bad. Its only real purpose is to replace something good -- intimacy with another person -- with something selfish and damaging. All of the damage porn does to your brain is not just related to abusive porn, it's all of it.

But you said in your post that you dont want to take religious views into consideration, which is a bit limiting. Personally, for me, my religion condemns lust in general, which would obviously include any and all porn. Personally, I do think that's a perfectly rational thing to believe. If I am not permitted to list after anyone but my spouse, that will only serve to make our relationship better and more intimate, which will lead to tighter knit families that stay intact, which is much better for society than the way our society is living now, with so many people cheating or ruining their marriages with porn use and neglecting their spouse because of lusting after other people.

 

I think you've hit the nail on when you said that porn enslaves us. That's absolutely true. It doesn't matter if they're one of the actors, the director or the consumer, all are slaves to it. The people directly involved are slaves to the money that porn generates and the consumers like us are slaves to watching it and wanting to act out on it.

 

One of the reasons lust is so bad is because we guys don't need to be walking around undressing every woman with our eyes and thinking about how she looks naked and what kind of sex acts we can get her to do with us. That's probably the main reason I have for wanting to quit. It's far from the only reason but it's a pretty major one because I know I've got a problem of objectifying women and all I can think about sometimes when I'm around women is "what does she look like naked?" It makes me feel so dirty to degrade women like that. One day I hope to be married and I want my wife to be the only one that I think about in a sexual manner. If I keep feeding my brain porn that will never happen.

 

And who knows, maybe you will not objectify your wife, either.
I think sometimes we tell ourselves that the floodgates can open if/when we find a partner, but that just assumes that deep down we fundamentally need sex.
I don't know, but it's worth considering.

 

I don't think sex is a fundamental need or you will die. It's not like air or water where it's necessary just to live. But I do think sex enhances a marriage because it bonds two people together in full body, mind, heart, and soul. It makes their marriage stronger if done in a loving context with the right reasons and motivation behind it.