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Femdom Addiction This Has Gone Too Far Real Life

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Graysongert, Sep 25, 2021.

  1. Graysongert

    Graysongert Fapstronaut

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    I myself had been somewhat in a difficult battle with the desire to submit for the last 10-20 odd years. Im now in my late 20s. Iv'e tried everything from counsellers, physcologists and healers, and everything in between.

    And so yesterday, rather than keep fighting i decided fuck it i will give in (spoiler for FD)
    I researched it completely. The desire to submit to a women. You see on one had i always thought i was a masculine man, who loved women , in a dominant masculine way. But i thought fuck it, i'll own the submissive side of me. The side that wants to be a slave to a women.

    And so i did some research. What i found was fucking insane. Inhuman shit i can't even put into so words so i have to share it.

    I looked into the deep training manuals of femdom, the origination, the origins of BDSM, how it femdom fantasies started. Aswell as all the books that doms right for other doms to train slaves.

    Then i found. OWK. (wiki OtherWorldKingdom) This is essentially a micronation in a village in the Czech Republic using the buildings and grounds of a 16th-century chateau, maintains its own currency, passports, police force, courts, state flag, and state hymn. This shit is like an ISIS state.
    The OWK styles itself as a matriarchy, where women rule. How the fuck is this shit legal. A whole state basically a femdom island.

    Reading various other slave training manuals, they delve into how women exploit men essentially very similar to dog training and conditioning. What the fuck is going on in this world.

    And here's the kicker, everything i researched including many cited accounts of phycologists and female perspectives, they ALL say the same thing. You have to submit to female. It mens inherit built in wiring to be beneath women. There is entire indoctrination and books full of this shit?! What the actual fuck. Any women i speak to about is trying to convince me that i should give in, even physcologists and healers say its "normal".

    Im sorry but i will never accept this bullshit and i will figure this out.

    Update:
    The biggest issue i'm having now is whether or not it's worth it to 'heal'. In order to do that i have to asses the damage that has been. So from 2009-2013 (ages 13-17) were the worst 5 years. I discoverd porn at the time only into foot fetish, graduated to ballbusting, mistress, femdom etc.. PMO everynight. Total = 1500.

    Then from 2014-2018 i went out and met real women. (18-22) Thankfully. It went down alot.
    From 365 to.
    2014-50
    2015-50
    2016-30
    2017-40
    2018-60
    =total 230
    From 2019-2021, it went worse then i started help with therapy and counselling etc.. It got better i had a gf, then covid hit and i lost my gf, job etc.. And it's like i went right back to 2009 for a few months binging, depeer and darker.
    2019- 70
    2020-150
    2021-75
    =total 2025, approx 2100 orgasms.

    With the last 300 orgasms being the worst, via cam girls, visiting real life dominatrix's etc.. I had now reached a place were the women would call me racist things like the N word, etc.. Over and over, i would say it to myself also.

    Now lets look at the penile damage that has been done. From the times that i was having sex. I noticed
    -weak erections
    -unable to cum through a BJ
    -prone damage to underside of penis
    -Sometimes not lasting long
    -Reduced sensitivity /pleasure
    -only cumming through hard jerking

    Now the most i've ever gone before having sex is 60 days. With my ex-gf pre-covid.2020 The sex was great, it felt a hell of a lot better than the 2016 sex. I usually take the dominant role and it feels incredibly healing.
    But there was still some issues there.

    So in order for me to 'heal', if i was to say go 100 days or lets say 365 days. 1 year, no PMO, no cam girls no dominatrixes. I would be 26 (i'm 25 now). Then to re-wire or retrain lets say we would have sex 5 times a week = 20*12=240, let say 250*9 =2250. (9 years + 1 year no pmo) It would take me 10 years! To be 'healed'. I'd be 35.

    And that's with no gurantee that i could go 1 year, and have no increase in sensitivity, just my broken penis. I could go 1 year, and have no fix's to my issues. Thats why i always sabotage myself. Because if i had caught this earlier maybe i could have changed things, but now its just a big fucking hole.

    It's so sad man. Every time the vision of what i wanted to achieve, and be, and do gets pushed further and further away. And only now i see the damage of the last 12 years.

    I also dont understand how my brain works. How i used to only like heels, feet, then it became more, like cei, etc.. facials. Like before i used to be like eww i would never do that. Then it flips to like ;actually this isn't so bad. Even though it feels so wrong in my heart. And not for me. And its getting worse, as it gravitates to more things that i dont even want to write down
     
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  2. TimeToQuitNow

    TimeToQuitNow Fapstronaut

    You are going to the wrong phycologists for 1. I hope you didn't go to Other World Kingdom. I looked it up after reading this and it seems to intense.

    When was the last time you had normal feelings for a girl? Where you wanted to love them and make her your wife and not your Queen?
     
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  3. Graysongert

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    My point all of this would be a hell of a lot more easily to quit and get away from if it wasn't so normalized. It's fucking ridiculous. All the damage type of porns out there are legal. Coerecing men to do things. The Other Kingdom an entire micronation state dedicated to female supremacy. What a fucking joke. Can you imagine if it was an Islamic Terrorist Group like ISIS, or a Male Group having a castle to dominate lots of girls. There would be outrage. But society today normalizes and empowers female dominance. And males gets nothing.

    I still have those feelings on some level, a girl for love. But everything i've seen is fucked. I've read female 'phycologists' who helped men with there "desires" after being married for years and still having submissive thoughts, by converting their wife. I need to figure this all out in my brain but eitherway this society is bullshit. Imagine a male dominance porn and NoFap's forum for women. Their would be outrage.
     
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  4. E31

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    Hmm, it seems like there are a lot of factors and ideas involved in your situation.

    1. You seem to be very emotional about it, which is totally understandable as this issue is wheighing you down
    2. You sadly didn't seem to get that understanding from the therapists who should not have pushed you in whatever direction but rather taking your feelings about it into account and what it does with your life.
    3. there seems to be a conflict in your head where on the one side there is the fear maybe some intrusive thoughts that this won't go away and is who you are and on the other side all these thoughts surrounding like making it a political issue which seems to increase your contemptment of the whole situation.

    All just presumptions on my side so please forgive me if I get you wrong, but here is what I would suggest:

    Try and get your focus away from that stuff and don't worry about it so much, instead look up stuff that really interests you and brings you real joy and how to care for your mental health.

    Try to detach this fetish from politics, society and all that stuff, it will only increase the negative grip it has on you and you will only increase your selective perception/cognitive bias (the real world isn't all femdom and there is actually people that enjoy this stuff and still live perfectly normal lifes that they are happy with, I wouldn't enjoy that either but their choice)

    Forget about this OWK thing it has nothing to do with you, you don't need to go there and they won't take over the world because there is still china ;)
    The majority is still male dominated in this world and most women tend to be more on the submissive side when it comes to sex. Outside of the bedroom we should all be on eye level and everyone should have the right to live a good life.

    Get serious with this NoFap thing, write a journal, read about others experiences with this issue, which there are many on here with a happy ending.
    Keep acting towards the life you wan't beyond sex and the fetishes involved. Try to get your priorities in order and start implementing ways and strategies to not only get rid of this fetish but all this negativity stemming from it. Listen to your gut, your own values and follow them.

    There is always a way my friend, lots of people were able to get this stuff over with and so will you ;)

    All the best
     
  5. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    I did a little research on the OWK. Like all other extreme fetishes (cuckolding, femdom, sissy shit, etc.), when you're in the throes of porn addiction, it is impossible to see the line between sexual fantasy and reality. Our minds are so corrupted we can't comprehend the fetishes like other people do.

    The OWK thing, even though it advertises itself as a state based on the manifestos of feminist academics, is just another example of the fantasy. It's not a real country in any way shape or form. It's essays and guides about female hierarchy are just fiction written by sexual fantasy writers. They have no consequence or addition to any of the power or relationship struggles of male and female relationships. It is a bunch of people partaking in a fantasy. They are either willingly engaging in it because the arousal is so intense or they cannot distinguish the fantasy from reality, like ourselves.

    When you quit porn and have some actual normal relationships, you start to realize how ridiculous and dumb all this stuff is. It's so fake and stupid, you'll be mad at yourself for being so caught up with it in the first place. Most people have a decent head on their shoulders, and most people would just cringe and sigh at the thought of this OWK place or any of the material and lifestyles they promote.

    There are people who have legitimately healthy sex lives that involves BDSM elements, including men who submit to women. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Get off how you want with who you want. However, there are major issues I see from people who engage with these fetishes, including:
    1. Advocating for a 24/7 lifestyle that revolves around the fetish, such as being a 24/7 live in slave. Having every second of your life dedicated to one solitary thing, no matter how pleasurable or rewarding, will make you feel miserable and trapped forever. People are meant to have balances in their social life, sex life, work life, leisure life, etc. Dedicating your life to sexual pleasure will never make you healthy and fulfilled. There are many in the BDSM community who strenuously advocate for moderation and excellence in other areas of your life besides kink, but these voices are often drowned out because they are not as sexy or arousing to think about.
    2. Many who engage in these fetishes have addictions or dependencies on the sexual activities they engage in. Everyone on NoFap knows how escalation and habituation can get you hooked on crazy shit, and sex is no different. Having certain sexual rituals just to feel some semblance of normalcy is common nowadays, especially for those with intense sexual desires. Addictions and dependencies are well documented in kink communities.
    3. As said earlier, the line between fantasy and reality is extremely blurry on all levels. The guides you see on the internet don't have a disclaimer saying "This is erotic fiction and is only meant for sexual pleasure". A lot of tube porn doesn't have disclaimers by the actors about the violence and degradation in their videos, which were more common in professional porn in the past. Without this line, people confuse these sexual practices with their entire lifestyle, which often leads to neglect of self and dependency on your sex acts and others to get through life.
    4. Many think the sex acts they engage in determine their self-worth or how they deserve to live their lives. If a man loves to get spanked by his girlfriend and do her chores in lingerie, it does not mean he can't be a construction worker, CEO, or fireman. If a girl likes to get choked by Tinder hookups during sex, it does not mean she actually wants to be choked and groped by a stranger on the street. If someone likes to be humiliated and degraded during sex, it does not mean they are less worthy of respect and admiration. Sex is just one facet of life, and what happens in that realm does not dictate how the other realms of your life are supposed to be. You are not a better or worse person for liking or disliking certain sexual acts. If your sex life is intruding and degrading other areas of your life then that's a problem, especially when it's your relationships with your spouse/kids/friends/etc. If your sexual desires aren't hurting yourself or anyone else, don't worry too much about them. Use them to create relationships with people you like and explore emotions that aren't easily attainable
     
  6. Graysongert

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    I will never be ok with any of that bullshit. Because that's all it is. Men are men period. Women are women. When you say some men can be fine getting spanked and being a firemen good for him, but that's not in line with who he is in his authenticity. I see your argument in that ALOT of people , like ALOT end up just accepting there 'fetishes' , 'desires', make peace with it. Live with it.

    I am NOT prepared to do that ever. Because it is not in line with who i am in my authentic core. And so the next step for me is to figure out what a healthy relationship would look like. I can see myself as a great man, with a beutiful girl. I can see how the dominance i have as a man is very authentic (not domination, but dominance).

    But one of the femdom manuals i was reading said that all men have a deep desire to submit, which i've felt at times. I have no model to compare what a 'normal confident man' mindset or fantasies would be if i didn't have the things happen to me that did. I.e female abuse at younger ages, then porn taking control of 1 fetish and blowing it out of proportion into 10 + extremes.

    If i am too truly 'put this all behind' and live a normal life. I need to figure out what that normal life is for me, and what feels good in my heart. Not what society , or 90% of the world is telling me to do. Because i know its wrong.
     
  7. TLDR other comments but this is 300 squaremeters. I don't see what you worry about. This is probably all legal in EU. Just a place where men who like femdom go.
     
  8. CastratedLegend1

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    just stop worshipping women and all will be alright
     
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  9. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    Like I said, when you're heavily addicted to porn it's really hard to understand things below the surface. Believe me when I say that femdom manual is literally just a fictional book written to arouse people. It has no medical or scientific value. Do not worry about it. The more you worry about it the more it will affect you. Just accept it as a piece of fiction and move on.

    I truly understand your conflict between these extreme desires you have and the way you want to live your life. I really do. Check out my story at Am I a Sissy?? (Actually a good story with happy ending, trust me, read the whole thing). I have had desires that just did not line up with how I wanted to live my life overall.

    The biggest thing that helped me was getting into a normal relationship, with normal sex, normal intimacy, and normal interactions. It helped me realize all the crazy stuff I had been inhaling from porn was just porn, not the truth about my life. I really encourage you to put yourself out there, get into some relationships, and truly explore how the world works. If these desires you have make you uncomfortable and question your life, don't act on them; just have normal vanilla sex. I did this for a long time and it was fantastic! Odds are over time you'll begin to distinguish between desires which make you feel happy and fulfilled (the most innate ones) and the desires that have been programmed by porn.

    Part of this process is accepting the things you have the desire to act on aren't morally bad. The more you consider it taboo, the more arousing it is. Learn to let go of your fear and hate. I don't hate or look down on anything done in the sissy porn world. I hate sissy porn because it absolutely fries your mind, but I don't hate any of the acts themselves. I haven't done anything resembling any of those sexual activities, but my hate for them has passed, and in time my desire to act on them as well. Let go of your fear, get into a real relationship, and you'll be feeling much better in no time.
     
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  10. jos_neko_kopa

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    I think this is a thing that should not be given attention, it is just the rotten fruit of people who are full of hatred, addiction and without love. What they do about hypnosis, training, whatever, they do it not because they like it, but from personal complexes. So imagine a happy accomplished woman who has children and a husband doing some hypnosis, there is no such thing. I was addicted to it and what I saw were clips made at a very good level, which means they get money from someone above them. Evil has always been and always will be, do not deal with it because it is an indisputable doom or analysis, a lot of philosophy and the essence is just not to look at it. They wouldn’t do it if there were no sheep to shear, turn your life around, f*** that shit.
     
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  11. TimeToQuitNow

    TimeToQuitNow Fapstronaut

    Yea I agree that such things shouldn't be normalized. I guess the argument would be that the men can leave at any time and chose to come there while with ISIS they'll cut your head off.

    But you can't worry about outer society. I say that for you and myself also. We need to fix this for ourselves. Nobody else matters honestly.
     
  12. Beekind

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    Some abused brainwashed men fantasise about being dominated, but that is not the norm.
    On the other hand ,statistics say 90% of women are secretly and publicly seeking a dominant male.
    Women crave the masculine energy as much as we men crave the feminine energy.
    Masculine energy: penetrative dominant power.
    Feminine energy: submissive receiving beautiful force.

    A man with a healthy self-esteem will never ever submit to anyone. He is Free.
     
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  13. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    While psychology is definitely a science (it's name literally means "study of the mind"), psychiatry is a practice or art, not really a science.

    Psychology is the study of the mind and behavior. It employs scientific methods, but as a social science, it is much more fluid, biased, and inconclusive. Psychiatry is the treatment of mental disorders. Much like how doctors who memorize everything perfectly in medical school can still make mistakes and harm/kill patients, psychiatrists who know all there is to know can still make errors. On the flipside, people with little medical experience can save lives, and those with no training on human mental health can help those with issues heal.

    As someone in the physics and engineering field I am surrounded by people who look down on the social sciences, and I do not think that is totally warranted or necessary. Social sciences can be rigorous and predictive, especially when extended for long periods of time, used in large populations, or when combined with other social/empirical sciences (the combination of using psychology and economics is why Google tracks all of our data and sells it for billions of dollars).

    If your psychiatry is not helping you, instead of trashing the whole field, try getting a new one. Much like how some doctors don't work well with certain people, I bet you can find a psychiatrist that helps you with whatever mental health issues you have.

    PS: Psychiatry is for those with mental health issues, and PMO abuse is not a mental health issue. it is often the cause or effect of certain mental health issues (depression, anxiety, insecurity/dysmorphia, attention disorders, etc.), but should not be classified as a mental health disorder
     
  14. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    Do you happen to belong to a Church that originates in Idaho? I've seen very similar language to this and want to know if it's from the same source!
     
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  15. Beekind

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    Lol. No i am not religious.
     
  16. Graysongert

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    No need to apologize, you are correct and i completely agree.

    I dont think people realize just how damaging all this shit is. It's not just regular porn we are watching which or soft guy on girl sex. It's transitioned and big time. This had had a big conditioning effect no doubt. PMO can absolutely be a mental health issue. These women have conditioned and coered men into doing very dark twisted things. The industry itself is fucked. How it leads you down a pipeline and before you know it your in a hole.


    When your head is in a bad place/when your deep in an addiction you make bad decisions. Yes they 'can leave' but will they? After such deep conditioning. The church used to say to people 'give us 7 years with a child and we have them for life'. People are not in their right minds at all. With this shit.

    So to modernstore point, real life interaction will no doubt be very healing. And something to work towards. But the line between fantasy and reality has been blurred in my mind. Erotic fiction or not, its a real person behind the videos and camera guiding you on what to do. That's the biggest jump i think for me that changed things and probably changed things for alot of people in this world.

    Around about 2017-2018 the transition from just watching videos, to actually meeting women who will WILLINGY engage in the fantasy. Sites like (spoiler alert)
    Livejasmin, and other cam sites. This is a huge step. And then more recently having mad many cam sessions with "dominatrix"s where they coerce you and humiliate you.

    The sad part is i dont know what to do fully now. I am turned on by humiliaton, and i have a premature ejactulation problem on cam.
     
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  17. TimeToQuitNow

    TimeToQuitNow Fapstronaut

    Yea we all who are into this fetish have it ingrained in us on some level. I know I do. It'll probably be part of me forever. But I do notice that when I have long streaks, femdom fantasies diminish and normal fantasies start coming back. I have been on streaks where for days at a time all the fantasies I have were normal vanilla fantasies. But I think in those days if I chose to watch femdom I'd probably get a boner (not sure if what I am saying makes sense of not, please let me know).

    But the issue with places like this is it is so constant that I don't see how a person "recovers". Not without serious therapy or help. And I am referring to Other World Kingdom. But I think real life dominatrix is more powerful than cam sites which is more powerful than porn. It is all a slow escalation downwards. Best to avoid it all.
     
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  18. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    As far as the current research suggests, nothing done to our brain is permanent. If you can be wired to femdom porn, you can be unwired and resensitized to normal sexual experiences. It's not intuitive to think that if you changed your neural structures to find femdom rewarding that you cannot do it with normal encounters.

    Does porn addiction cause irreversible damage to the brain?

    I can say personally that in just three years, I have seen drastic changes in my life, urges, and sexual encounters. You can read my story in one of my posts above titled "Am I a Sissy?". I haven't updated it since I broke up with my first girlfriend, but in the 2ish years since then, I had several months where I was in a "hoe phase", sleeping with a different girl every weekend, hooking up with girls from Tinder, doing crazy shit they wanted to do, but never being "trapped" in that lifestyle. I was making myself available for about a dozen stunning women, and whenever I wanted sex one of them was down. That lifestyle got old after a few months, but it was super fun and I learned a lot.

    Right now I have a girlfriend who for some reason cannot keep her hands off me. It's exhausting how much she wants to have sex. She wants me to do all these crazy things to her and she's never satisfied. She had a big glowup before we got together and I don't think she's used to someone calling her beautiful and treating her well, but she's always dtf, on top of a fantastic career as a scientist and really fun hobbies. I'm so lucky to be with her.

    Here's the thing: I still get urges now and then for sissy and femdom stuff. It hasn't left me, especially when I feel down or insecure. I still have dreams and urges for that shit. I still feel the shame and humiliation. However, I just don't care now. There's a chance it'll leave me forever, but I just don't care anymore. I put in the work and treat people around me to live the life I want to, and I'm experiencing it right now. I may have the urges for femdom stuff still, but I just don't care because I know it's just programmed into me and won't help me live my life. It's just another voice inside my head that's trying to get me to do stupid things.

    This stuff may never truly leave you, but you can still live the stud life you think you want to. The more you ignore it and prove it wrong, the weaker it gets. Don't worry about destroying this programming in your brain. The biggest sign of defeating an opponent is not annihilation, but complete ignorance.
     
  19. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    Yeah the more you distance yourself, the weaker it becomes. It has to happen.

    The trauma may be permanent, but people can recover from worse. People recover from rape, seeing loved ones murdered, and being soldiers in wars. Recovery isn't the destruction of how they feel about it, but how they learn to not let it interfere with their lives.

    Focus more on removing porn from your life and filling it with the things you want to. You may not be able to completely get rid of it, but you will totally be able to make it insignificant. The more you think about it, the more you give it fuel
     
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  20. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    So true.

    It may seem certain now, but you need to distance yourself from porn before being able to decide your sexuality or preferences. It's becoming so obvious. Things makes so much sense once you quit. It was like night and day when I quit porn.

    Also agree that living with your fetishes or urges doesn't mean living them out. Live the life you want to, and don't do things that make your life worse. If your fetish is making your life worse, stop engaging it, quit porn, and do what makes you feel fulfilled.
     

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