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I don't think masturbation without porn or porn subs is that much of a big deal?

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by skaterdrew, Oct 3, 2019.

  1. skaterdrew

    skaterdrew Fapstronaut

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    The huge rise in sexual dysfunction issues in young men began in 2006 after tubes sites went online and the internet was high speed.

    Men have masturbated for a long time. No one knows exactly how long, but it's easily over hundred years, probably much longer. Yet erectile dysfunction was practically unheard of in men under 40 before the millennium, but particularly in 2006 there was a huge rise in ed in young men.

    I didn't actually begin properly watching porn until I was 18. I obviously had seen some stuff before, the occasional magazine, and I mean very occasional, like basically never. Then also a handful of images on dial up internet that took about an hour to load, and a few very occasional late night tv channels. But yeah before I was 18 I mainly always just masturbated using my imagination. I remember when I was in high school I used to get in from school and masturbate thinking about all of the females I had seen at school that day. I must admit I had some extremely kinky fantasies for someone who had never really seen porn before. But yeah I was quite a big masturbater from the age of 11 until the age of 18. I'd say I masturbated at least once a day, sometimes more than that. Quite strange though, because if masturbation on it's own caused ed I don't know how I didn't get it in the 7 years I was masturbating on it's own.

    But then when I turned 18 I got my first laptop and I basically began PMOing straight away. I could not believe all the stuff that you could get on the internet for free. I actually questioned at first wither or not some of the stuff that I was viewing was illegal or not because of how extreme and hardcore I found it. It wasn't illegal, but it's just I had never seen anything as kinky before. But yeah I rapidly became heavily addicted to PMO, PMOing multiple times every day for years.

    I had actually noticed a few times in the past I couldn't get it up with women at all, and one time I kept losing the erection. But I never thought it was anything to do with porn. But it was around the age of 25 I had PMOed so much I actually had ed to porn. I noticed the more I PMOed the worse the ed was. This was actually what lead me to discovering nofap, YBOP ext.

    But yeah I do believe porn and porn subs are the issue. The issue began when the internet went high speed, because that was the first time in human history you could get unlimited sexual novelty. Never ending sexual novelty to search and find, and you have it all in one click. Yeah you couldn't do that before the millennium. You maybe had porn tapes, dvds, magazines, but that's not on the same level as high speed internet. The delivery is completely different. That's the real problem. Less men in general would of naturally used porn before high speed internet. Or if they did use it it would of been a very occasional thing. I mean how many guys jack off to porn or a porn sub on a spur of the moment thing, or seeing something that triggers them? Before high speed internet guys would of had to intentionally go out and buy porn videos, magazines ext. Guys would of got bored of that porn video or magazine very quickly. But high speed internet there is always something new in one click. It is completely different.

    Allow me to put another scenario to you all. Lets say the internet never went high speed the way it did. We never had youtube style streaming sites, we never had social media sites. But we did still have sites that were a similar platform to this. I am convinced we wouldn't have millions of men world wide reporting and complaining about ed online if that was the case. The reason we wouldn't have millions of men online complaining about ed is because we wouldn't have unlimited sexual novelty. But the thing is these men would still masturbate, but there wouldn't be a concerning number of young men with ed.
     
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  2. ultrafabber

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    The problem is masturbation, as you become both the man and the woman. Yes, porn is bad also, but it just makes the problem worse.
     
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  3. I know for myself that P is the bad thing.
    With only MO, you dont keep going for hours, and it wont suck your energy out of you, and it wont escalate, and its not even nearly giving you the same rush P gives you.

    Thats if you ask me, then again everyone has their own way.
    I dont consider MO a problem, as long as it isnt like an everyday thing that is.
    But once a week and without P, I dont consider it being an issue.
     
  4. The problem isn't masturbation. The problem is you, porn/masturbation is used to medicate whatever troubles one goes through etc if they do choose to use porn. Others do drugs, others do other things that are unhealthy but masturbation, just like any other thing in this world will become a problem if you constantly do it. The problem, is and will always be the individual. Whatever you use to medicate it will become a problem later on unless you choose to take initiative early.

    I recently realized that I am perfectly happy and fine masturbating when I genuinely feel REALLY horny. Other than that I genuinely do not have a problem. Porn more-or-less annoyed the shit out of me more than it became a problem for me, I still feel a little bit of compulsion to watch but it's easy to get over it. I realized that the problem with me wasn't porn nor masturbation, it was the fact that I kept letting anxiety take over decision of what I do/don't do.
     
  5. ultrafabber

    ultrafabber Fapstronaut

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    Yes it is. There's no such thing as healthy masturbation. It's like saying "healthy smoking"
     
  6. Comparing masturbation to smoking.. that's a very good example to back up the claim of it not being healthy.
     
  7. IbrahimViking

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    It's easy:

    Do you/do you want to have sex with a partner/partners? Do you want to have intimacy with the Other?

    If the answer is "no, never", I'd say masturbate all you want, but some that believe in the magic of semen retention would argue with my opinion.

    Now, if the answer is "yes", here's the next question. Do you feel as comfortable getting ready for sex with a partner, getting aroused, pleasing them "in bed" and enjoying your own orgasm as well as during masturbation?

    If the answer is yes, then, again, I'd say go ahead and masturbate all you want.

    I'll tell you why I'm doing nofap, whilst not being a porn addict. I was very shy and got used to experiencing sexuality and intimacy alone, when no one was watching. That made me so anxious to do it with a partner, that I just couldn't put the two together, and thus felt awkward and emotionally withdrawn during sex. That's one of the worst things to be :D, now that I think about it. Very opposite to intimacy. Thats what I used to experience. But not masturbating did it magic. Now that my body and mind react differently, and I have beautiful intimate moments with the one I love. We have a lot of shared fun, make memories and play with one another, and in comparison to that M is just plain boring. In my, subjective, personal opinion and experience.
    Just to clarify, there was no magic to not fappin'. Simply a Pavlovian reflex - "sexy time is for being alone" was one conditioning, which simply rewired and now sexy time is mostly for being with my yummy lover. I don't cry amd despair, lol, when I reset. I just do nofap for the upkeep of the habit, so to say.
     
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  8. skaterdrew

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    Young men weren't getting long term sexual dysfunction issues until after high speed internet, yet they still masturbated before high speed internet. It says everything man.
     
  9. The problem with statements like your title is that you consider everyone to be in the same boat as you are. For many people masturbation leads to porn and vice versa. Issues like death grip and other penile dysfunctions resulting from chronic masturbation will still keep bringing traffic to such forums as ours.
     

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