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Is Porn Bad? What else is bad?

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by TheGreatTiger, Jan 2, 2021.

  1. TheGreatTiger

    TheGreatTiger Fapstronaut

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    I understand the benefits of no orgasm: life extension, health, vitality, testosterone, etc. etc. Live longer to get more dopamine hits before you die; that's what we're all hard wired to do, seems simple enough.

    What I'm struggling with here is understanding the benefits of no porn. Are most of you coming at this with a religious perspective, with your morality derived from your belief on what "God" thinks? Or you just have some emotional association to "good" and "bad" behavior but you can't explain how your brain made those associations?

    I've seen recently some people on here have culturally assimilated associations of "deviant behavior" that completely destroy their capacity for objective thought.

    The other thesis seems to be, extremely enjoyable things are addictive so we should avoid all extremely enjoyable things right? And just live a luke warm "meh" life?

    Or is it that any activity that's not directly tied to our survival and replication is bad because of some sort of moralistic appeal to nature fallacy? Or like I said above, if we maximize our survivability by maximizing our income I suppose through transmutation then we "might" get more dopamine hits in the long term?

    If porn is bad, is watching movies bad, is youtube bad, are video games bad, is music bad? is talking to girls bad? is sex bad? is eating bad? are board games bad? Is Chess Bad? Are drugs bad? Is writing on forums bad? are sports bad?

    What's the bigger goal? What's the point? Are you trying to maximize capacity for survivability? Because if that's the case then a lot of those other behaviors are bad as well.

    Or is this all about validation? Feeling good about yourself and having self worth for living up to the current culturally assimilated value system that's infecting your brain?

    I suspect some guys do not using porn to sleep with a bunch of women to feel better about themselves because of that system for valuing men, while others do not using porn to feel better under their religious value system, and others do it to feel better under whatever value system their spouse is projecting onto them based on their spouses evolved instincts to maximize their own reproductive value by the evolved instinct for "mate guarding" expressing itself in the digital age.

    Legitimate question. Not trying to be condescending but to cut through all the surface layer stuff to get at the deeper core of what's going on here. Would like to here your guys thoughts. What specifically makes something "better" behavior? What's the end game here? What kind of life do you want ultimately and why?
     
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  2. AJ777

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    Porn is bad because it turns women into sexual objects; and trains you to think that way yourself when watching it, whether or NOT you realize it.
    It literally damages and ruins millions of people's lives because it is literally an addiction just like someone who would be addicted to meth or heroin or alcohol.
    It is bad because young women who are lured into the industry are often lied to and deceived by people in the industry and are subjected to abuse and rape. Not to mention all the STDs - also, look at all the drug addiction and suicide rates and everything else by women involved in porn.
    Porn is also a gateway to sex-trafficking and other illegal sexual activity. Where do you draw the line? Is hardcore acceptable but child isn't?
    Porn entices and tempts and lures people in and rewires their brains and the way they think and changes them for the worse. It literally devolves human beings into leading them to crave and seek after to fulfill their sexual desires and put that priority above everything else.
    I've also heard and read of many horror stories of people, and even knew of one personally, who were addicted to porn, and their lives spiraled out of control and they got involved in some bad stuff and lived very miserable lives.
    Porn is often made light of or joked about in society, but for the aforementioned reasons, among many others, it is not a laughing matter. It is the face of evil.
    I've only scratched the surface, too. There is a lot more that could be said. I encourage you to do some research on it.

    From all standpoints, whether it be scientific, atheistic, religious, spiritual, it doesn't matter. PORN is evil

    EDIT:
    The end goal, I believe, is to simply NOT be enslaved to porn. To live a full, happy life and enjoy it and the companionship of others - to be successful in life and be in meaningful relationships with real people.
    Being enslaved to porn makes those things nearly impossible.
     
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  3. Well said. Porn treats women as objects to be used rather than people to be loved. But I agree that argument does stem from religion or at least the belief an objective morality. Why is it bad to treat a woman as an object in the first place? Why do people have dignity and are they in fact deserving of self-giving love? It’s a complex question without the belief in an objective morality.

    However, there is also another clear argument based on empirical evidence that I think is the focus of this forum. Many people here simply feel like shit as P addicts. The evidence is vast. P doesn’t make people happy and leads them into depression or despair, the life of an addict. I think that is largely the case regardless of ones’ beliefs.
     
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  4. fredisthebes

    fredisthebes Fapstronaut

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    Most people here are not religious, or at least, not primarily motivated by a religious morality condemning porn.

    Its a grubby exploitative industry, for sure, but NoFap is a personal struggle against addiction rather than a campaign for better working conditions for pornstars (i find the whole thing much too triggering to get far involved in that discussion, although i wish them well).

    Addiction is not simply behaviour that is pleasurable to you, its a lack of control over your behaviour. Many people here, myself included, have indulged in porn far beyond the point where it is pleasurable.
    Not all pleasurable things are addictive. And this varies from person to person.

    Fat people have food addictions, they rarely enjoy food the same way as someone who eats very carefully, choosing what they eat and eating slowly and mindfully. This is the enjoyment, the fatty downing cheeseburgers is not enioying food but feeding the addiction.

    Its the same with sex. The addict will dial up porn, use chat rooms sex lines prostitutes etc for an easy fix. Multiple low quality orgasms, empty pseudo connections and nothing but behaviour that potential partners would find repulsive. A man in control of his life would seek high quality women and sex, real and profound connections and is proud of his behaviour.
     
  5. Da Werd

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    I have a 1 year-old daughter. Sweetest little creature in the world. Having a kid changed the way I look at women. I now think porn is pretty disgusting... degrading these human beings that were once little children, loved and nurtured by some loving parent to adulthood. Just to be used for their body parts and drooled over by millions of guys who don't give a s*** about who they are.

    But ya I've been really addicted to porn in the past. I don't hate the guys who are addicted to it. I'm really glad I'm done with that crap.
     

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