It's perfectly fine to degrade women because we live in capatalist society?

Well, I'm a socialist so I guess this doesn't apply to me.

Although it doesn't matter if you live in a capitalist or socialist society, people will always have difficulty with not objectifying other people at all. However I think objectifying someone isn't just a simple on-off switch, but rather a scale. When I go to cashier, I don't have time or interest to stop to contemplate his or her humanity, nor do I try to get to know him/her. The cashier is an object for me to buy the shit I came to buy. Still I try to be polite and kind towards them thus silently aknowledging that they are in fact a person with thoughts and feelings and a right to be treated as such.

Wether it's okay to objectify someone (including women) depends on the situation. Sure, you wouldn't go to any lengths to get to know a cashier, but if you're for instance pursuing a relationship with someone, it's kinda necessary that you get to know them and appreciate them as a person.

 

How about just don't degrade anybody? Who cares if we "live in a society that degrades workers"? That doesn't mean YOU have to degrade them. You can't use society being crap as an excuse to join them in being crap. You're not responsible for society, but you ARE responsible for yourself.

 

Communism and socialism also treat people as objects, and much more brutally.

and armies and anyone seeking power... - democracy objectivies people as 'votes'.

As you might imagine, I disagree with the nature of the question - blaming one system and making that assumption that system is 'wrong'.

Have you ever read about how communists destroyed the connection between sex and intimacy and personal meaning, and destroyed sexual morality? It's horrifying to read about their deliberate attempts - often involving forced sex - which still go on with radicals (Which is why the sixties revolution was so tied to sexual 'liberation' ) to destroy families and sexual restraint.

Sexual liberation, so called is what objectivies women (and men)

 

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. We as individuals can make the choice not to succumb to the system.

We can try and get to know the cashier, the food server, the customer service agent at the airport, etc. It may be be a very brief exchange but we can do things to let the person know that we don't think of them as just a robot that's doing a service for us.

And same goes with women. We don't have to live with the mentality that they are just objects for us men to use sexually.

Women have their struggles too when it comes to their interactions with men and they also can make the choice to view things and do things that are constructive.

Unfortunately this coldness of heart that people have for each other is increasing steadily. It's a big part of the world's system. I don't think we have to go with the flow. We can make the choice to be different than the rest.

 

It made self gratification the only thing that mattered.

 

but you didn't have 'experts' publicly declaring it was all that mattered when it came to sex.

You didn't have it as a moral standard. The only societies that had this standard were ones that were in decline.

 

it can be a reason, but there are plenty (and we need plenty) to quit and internalize them.

 

not in the republic
not with a patricians wife. late roman empire was decadent and in decline. but again, can you show me where a roman (cicero, seneca, etc) said this was ok?

Our public morality on sex until the 1960s said it was bad - the ONLY people advocating for sexual liberation were radicals who were INTENTIONALLY trying to break up society and the family because it blocked their means to power. Same goes for many authoritarian empire.

 

All large-scale political ideologies treat people as objects, or at the very least, as statistical numbers, because it’s impossible to view a population larger than a mid-sized town as anything more. It’s not unique to capitalism or socialism, so anyone claiming that it is speaks utter BS.

But on a personal level? Of course people shouldn’t be abused.

 

We are at least FREE to treat each other as we wish within the law. I am thankful for that.

 

This is why I preffer regular restaurants and not food chains. The waiter stays and talks with you until your order is up.