Natural male masturbation?

What makes you think those are the only two ways to become homosexual? Sometimes people feel so pressured that they need a way out of the norm in order to relax. Sometimes kids learn it at a young age, not necessarily because of anything sick, they just started associating it with good feelings, for whatever reason.

 

I think masturbation is a natural and healthy thing guys do. The way we do it (PMOing) is not. But masturbating once in a while (after a complete reboot) I guess is natural, if no other sexual release with another person is possible. Being able to masturbatr without P and without thinking about porn scenes is probably a success.

 

I’m with you when you say that porn is the problem, that mastribation out of habit is and that uncontrolled masturbation is. But masturbation it not wrong, nor unhealthy. Sex is natural, some practices make a natural and healthy human act wrong.

 

Masturbation is NOT sex. There are physiological differences between orgasm/ejaculation from intercourse and orgasm/ejaculation from masturbation.

 

It's all the same [in the end]. When it really comes down to it, porn, masturbation, sex, none are any better or worse than the others. It's how we let it affect our lives that makes us think it affects us badly. Plenty of people masturbate, watch porn, and have sex all on a normal Sunday, what of it? The problem is pmo addiction, not being able to handle urges the way we want. That itself is a choice and one we strive to learn how to make properly.

 

They literally aren't the same. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799 The post-orgasmic prolactin increase following intercourse is greater than following masturbation and suggests greater satiety.

Using data from three studies of men and women engaging in masturbation or penile-vaginal intercourse to orgasm in the laboratory, we report that for both sexes (adjusted for prolactin changes in a non-sexual control condition), the magnitude of prolactin increase following intercourse is 400% greater than that following masturbation.

 

I will say this once again for your benefit: Whether or not you masturbate frequently or get it on a lot, you can always have an unhealthy lifestyle. Stop looking for excuses to blame masturbation for all your problems.

 

How does that have anything to do with what I said? You said sex and masturbation are the same, i showed you they're not.

 

We have reached a misunderstanding. This was meant to precede an explanation of how the effects of masturbation or sex can both be an addiction or simply a bad habit. I think you may have let the context of:

determine the context of the previous quote. I did not make it clear that what I meant was, "It's all the same in the end" in spite of your comment. I will edit it to prevent further miscommunication.

 

But not to the same extent, so even in that context, it's not a proper conclusion. Masturbation will become an addiction/bad habit much easier/faster than sex especially because it's not as satiating as sex. Because of the prolactin spike AND because of the lack of the Coolidge effect (porn/sex fantasy offers infinite partners), you won't have sex again and again for days and weeks, but you will masturbate again and again for days and weeks. Obviously everything can become an addiction/bad but some things are much worse than others.

 

Okay that makes sense. Haha I'm all about personal power, so do forgive me if I jump down your throat.

 

So right! It’s like drinking! Some people drink alcohol sometimes, without getting addicted

 

You are totally fucked up with your sexuality. I'm sure many men got curious and subsequently got hooked. What are you gonna do about it?

Sexuality seems complicated but if you think about it, sexuality is just conditioning. If I fantasize about balloon animals, guess what? I now identify as balloon animal. I'm kidding, but the point still stands. Whatever people focus on sexually will become their fetish. That's just the way the brain works. That doesn't mean everyone starts out the same, however (wow a new idea regarding sexuality).

It's easy to see how pornography can lead to someone having entirely different views on what arouses them. I know that I was never into X type of porn, but I eventually got there because I got tired of watching the same stuff over and over. I started to view people as things instead of people, and sifted through them likes dolls. After a while, I got bored of my dolls and moved on to plushies, so to speak, or maybe I wanted to mix things up and I tried boy dolls instead, just to see what it was like.

Fact remains, porn is boring. It will never satisfy our hunger. It's more of the same motions, the same sounds, all to remind us of something special. Couple that with masturbation and you got yourself an addict. I think fantasies are similar to porn in some ways. I think eventually there needs to be a disconnect between wanting pleasure from self/porn and wanting pleasure from the world.

 

I fully agree. Sexuality offers a very powerful reward and it's very easy to "slide off" natural sexuality. This is a very common thing on nofap with users describing escalation to things they didn't even know existed before, so obviously they couldn't have been attracted/aroused by something they didn't even know.

In my case for example, i didn't even want to see couples having sex, i just wanted to see naked women so i tried to look only at them and ignore the male even if it was bothering me and over time it stopped bothering me. At the beginning I wasn't even masturbating/ejaculating in the same room as i was watching porn in, i went to another room because it felt weird.

 

Then sex too becomes addictive, if masturbation does, and “normal” won’t be satisfying anymore. Right?

 

I get how that might feel weird. I've had similar behaviors when I first started that have since become phantoms of what they used to represent. I don't mind being aroused by almost anything and almost everything, what I do mind is being aroused when I don't necessarily need to be. Sure, doesn't hurt to do it once...

And people say that this stuff doesn't hurt. It's a choice. They are right about it being a choice, but being a choice does not mean the odds won't be stacked against us. Does not mean shit doesn't happen (shit happens).