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SO responding to possible relapse - advice needed pls

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Salt & Light, Sep 26, 2018.

  1. Salt & Light

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    Hello, I believe my SO may have relapsed today, I can see his laptop activity as we chose to have parental control - I have not contacted him, I do not want him to feel judged, policed or unable to come home; but I would like some advice on how to respond to this today please.
    I understand he needs a safe place to talk, this is something I am trying to build as he keeps relapses secret, addiction thrives in the dark - I have responded badly in the past but am trying to build trust between us again. He is in a bad place emotionally (depressed), 14 days into new reboot so he is fragile.
    Any PAs or SOs out there with any advice? I would be greatly appreciated, thank you for taking time to read x
    Also, I'm new here...does this thread belong in a different forum?
     
  2. kropo82

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    I've moved this thread to "Rebooting in a Relationship" though "Partner Support" would have been equally fitting. I hope you get lots of answers. From what you write you sound deeply committed to doing what's best for him and I think that'll shine through whatever communication you have together. I always found it supportive to talk to my wife about my progress, but I still found it a difficult subject to raise. But I wasn't reporting each relapse, so perhaps it's different for us. Good luck. Does he post here?
     
  3. Salt & Light

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    Thank you for the advice and moving the thread, it's greatly appreciated. He does not post here, he does not have an account.

    He used the site to learn about the addiction in the early stages and attempts to use it briefly during a possible relapse but told me ''it made me feel worse".

    I suggested he was reading the wrong thread, success stories may have been better to lift the low mood - but I cannot force him.

    I decided to join a couple of weeks ago to focus my thoughts and feelings elsewhere, rather than on him. It has been a huge help to me, but he is struggling I think, unmotivated, depressed. Hasn't read a single piece of advice or thought about how to progress further or start again...the last relapse seems to have knocked the courage out of him.

    Thank you again for the reply x
     
  4. NF4L

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    @Salt & Light, welcome to the forums. I probably have more questions for you then answers.
    Was he doing this at work, I ask because you mentioned to want to talk to him before he gets home?
    Who’s idea was it to add parental controls? Did you both agree upon it?
    Does he have an accountability partner, I.e. someone he can talk openly about his addiction, struggles, relapses, and urges?
    I classify depression as sadness without reason. Or is he just sad because he has shame and guilt, and the disappointment to you as a PA? If he is actually depressed he may need a professional.
    How do the two of talk about his addiction? Do you checkin with each other with thoughts and feelings, openness and understanding, authenticity and vulnerability?

    I made my wife my accountability partner. The things I did were both disgusting and illegal. For me there was no one else I could trust, especially after she discovered it all. At the beginning, We would sit down every day and check in with each other. We also did weekly retrospectives, and still do to this day.

    How open is he about his addiction to you? What steps has he taken in recovery?

    I would say give him 24 hours to be honest with you, and to come forward with the information. This gives him an opportunity to break the secrecy and lies, ensure you make yourself available to him to talk to you.

    Techniques you should learn to start these difficult conversations I think are best said by the Gottman Institute. They have the concept of the soft startups:

    https://www.gottman.com/blog/5-steps-to-fight-better-if-your-relationship-is-worth-fighting-for/

    They have other talks and resources about this as well, so google and read them. This article also calls out the four horsemen. Learn to recognize them and avoid them in your difficult conversations or conflicts.

    I hope that helps, and glad you have come here to help with your healing and the long road to recovery.
     
  5. Salt & Light

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    Thank you!
    Quite long, but I wanted to give you the whole picture...

    We have been together for a year and nine months - he was aware of his addiction before we were together and he's stated that he tried to give it up before our relationship, but without any help or advice so continued to PMO.
    We are soul mates, and have a wonderful relationship, but there is a lingering shadow...

    When I moved in his usual PMO habits were no longer an option (every night before bed) so he started viewing P at work and at home in the bathroom; until I found out and we discussed the growing obsessive behavior and the influence on his life. He started researching addiction and started a reboot in late Sept 2017 which lasted 120 days - brilliant!

    But having the mobile back after the first 90 days was a pitfall, and he slipped back into binge viewing routine. He told me he had also been using his work laptop at work to view P - in a private meeting room - so we both decided parental control was good idea - simply to give his brain a rest and start building coping strategies for compulsion, without too much risk of being exposed so early on, as he has a tendency to spiral. He also got a simple model mobile with no internet access - which he now uses for work and personal life - he did this willingly. I've never forced anything upon him, I understand that defeats the purpose of his recovery; and would be ultimately pointless and counter productive to our relationship.

    He has told me, "I don't want this in my life", and I believe him. On his last reboot he achieved 131 days - he's had stress with work load (promotion), personal difficulties with his family, our relationship has been difficult, he also bought his first property; this year so he's had a lot on his mind. The last relapse (post 131 days) - he had a compulsion in work, when alone and the idea of an online proxy ( to get around parental control) occurred to him, and the cycle began again. Booking out meeting rooms in work, binge viewing P at home sat next to me when "working" (for hours), this lasted for 3 weeks, he cannot pull himself out of the darkness, it consumes him. Saying "When I open the door, it rules over me". I understand compulsion, and I can forgive many things but I'm concerned my SOs lost momentum in his fortitude.

    I am aware and so is he, the consequences of binge viewing in work.
    I believe professional help may be needed, but again - you can lead a horse to water. I'm his accountability partner but I have made mistakes, been irrational, asked so many questions, I have hindered his recovery in some ways - but I'm aware of my faults and want to improve how I support him. I am trying to build trust, so he can trust in my love. I feel his secrecy just adds to the P binge cycle as he's in a state of perpetual denial. He tells me nothing, he is very private, has never (even in childhood) had someone to trust with his feelings - he spent much of it alone, in his room. So he doesn't communicate openly without being asked first.

    We have no specific times to talk, or assess his needs, I simply ask, pretty much every day (is that bad?)..."Have you been okay today?", "Are there any feelings you would like to talk about?"...he knows what I am referring to. Am I going about this incorrectly?
    So he has an accountability partner, but he doesn't want to open up to me. Fear of judgement, guilt, doesn't want to hurt me etc etc. I have asked him what I'm doing wrong (communication) and how better I can support him...I don't get much reply.

    One issue is, he knows I don't trust him...that cannot be a good feeling! It saddens him to not be believed, but how can I so quickly after so many lies? I am trying to...I'm attempting to be more gentle, understanding and less emotional. For his sake, rather than mine.

    I can take care of myself, I can reach out to others; but my SO is so different, his emotions rule over him, negativity cripples him - he simply doesn't know how to cope with 'down days' or boost himself back up. I've thought about CBT but he genuinely believes he can beat compulsions if he is 'in a good place' - yet I know this is the underlying issue...being able to cope with negative emotions will always be a part of life - and these negative emotions lead to relapse.

    He has taken big steps in his recovery and I'm very proud of him, but he's only removed the P with each reboot; my SO has not replaced the coping mechanism.
    Self help advise; such as research, working out, getting into a routine, being productive with interest or hobbies are all at a stand still...zero motivation to progress or boost happiness.

    My SO is the kindest person I have even met, he is gentle, caring and devoted - just not to himself.

    Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it and I hope this account can shed some light on what steps to take next. x
     
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  6. NF4L

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    I don’t have a lot of time at the moment to give you a thorough reply, but thought i’d Get some thoughts out for you.
    First off, White knuckling, aka refraining from PMO, isn’t a recovery, it is only abstinence. If he wants to be free from it he has to do recovery work. That can be researching, learning, education, and more importantly reaching out to at least another person for help. This is a disease of disconnection, and remaining disconnected means he can’t begin to recover. If he wants help he has to seek it.
    Secondly you say you are his AP, but if he isn’t telling you anything, much less than the everything he should, you aren’t his AP, you are just his SO. He has to let go of the secrecy and lies or stay consumed by it. You probably have to get tough and set boundaries for him. This requires you to let him know what you are okay with (negotiables), and more importantly what you aren’t (nonnegotiables), as well as real consequences you will enforce if they are not met. For starters he should probably find an AP that isn’t you if he isn’t going to talk to you about it.
     
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  7. JustSadPorn

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    You are taking on a lot of the blame for his relapse. You seem to think that if you were more trusting and easier to talk to, he could stay clean. None of that is true. His addiction is not your fault!

    You not trusting your SO after he has lied repeatedly, and you being emotional about him obsessively looking at other naked women, those are normal reactions. Just because he has an addiction, doesn't mean that you aren't allowed to have any anger or misgivings about it!

    You are feeling guilty for his mistakes. He will never step up to fix his own problem if you take on all the bad feelings and own them yourself.

    I think @NF4L gave you some good advice when he recommended you think about your own boundaries.
     
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  8. NF4L

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    Thank you @JustSadPorn for providing a SO perspective. You are right about it all. I think this highlights the importance of openly communicating what @Salt & Light is feeling to her SO. He does need to understand how this affects you, how you feel about it, and what you are willing to help with. This is where I think boundaries are crucial. He needs to know what you can accept and what you won’t.
    In order for him to recover he has to want it. He has to change his way of coping and find new ways to relieve stress. There is some sort of hobby for anyone. As for checkins, I would suggest you let him lead. That doesn’t mean he gets to ignore them, but rather than you asking him a question that may sound accusing, ask him if he is ready to talk about his day. Let him start. If he isn’t ready, then ask when. When he opens up to you, even if it hurts, you really have to acknowledge the fact that he told you and thank him for it. Reinforce that positive communication. Try your best to really listen, and if you can use his own words to help motivate him.
     
  9. Salt & Light

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    Yeah, thank you all. I really appreciate the advice and will certainly use it. It's difficult to know what works for an individual sometimes. I have certainly made it clear this behavior is not acceptable and full disclosure is needed for us to maintain a relationship.

    One more thing please...What other boundaries do you speak of? Boundaries such as...

    Communicating within 24 hours of a relapse?
    When and where to tell me?
    What behavior I consider ultimately destructive to the relationship? The addiction progressing to an extent I find I'm unable to deal with? -
    My boundaries in regard to what I could psychologically cope with?

    Is this what you mean?

    Thank you again and I wish you all the best in your journeys of self discovery and personal growth, peace be with you x
     
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  11. Pinetree

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    The situation is certainly difficult.

    When reading through the thread, first thing I wanted to suggest was an AP, then saw others do the same and read further down.

    Now, I'm thinking maybe it's not "accountability" what he needs just somebody to talk to. No strings attached. And not necessarily 1 single person.

    Of course, therapy also comes to mind, but as you said, it can be difficult to suggest something like that to him.

    Btw, I remember a conversation with a girl I was dating, and she told me: "The fact that you are calling it addiction, makes it worse."
     
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  12. Queen_Of_Hearts_13

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    Check my signature, it has resources and boundaries (the boundaries thread was started by Kenzi)
     
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  13. Salt & Light

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    Yeah, I have considered that my SO may just need to talk to someone, or vent life issues in general. I asked him recently if he's feeling "bogged down by life" and he replied, "yes, that sounds about right". I get the impression he is simply getting sick of talking about the addiction - as if it has become some horrifying procedure in his life he cannot cope with, or even begin to face. Perhaps he doesn't know where to start, as he has been White Knuckling for the last year. My SO also said, which may shed some light on his perspective "I don't want to think of it as a huge fight or struggle".

    Is this burying his head in the sand or do some people need to look at this journey from different angles/perspectives in order to over come it? How do you others feel?

    Calling it an addiction
    Thank you for mentioning this, funnily enough - this very thought occurred to me just a few days ago. I have suggested we use the term 'bond' rather than 'addiction' which can seem harsh and perhaps negative.

    Thanks for the insight, the feedback means a lot x
     
  14. Salt & Light

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    Thank you, it's much appreciated! This will be a great help! x
     
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    Yes, of course, but there is a point beyond the actual word which is being used.

    I can tell you another part from the same discussion with my girl:

    Her: Ok, so what is the real issue: the watching of porn or the addiction to watching porn ?
    Me: The addiction, of course.
    Her: So the actual watching of porn is pretty ok, isn't it ?

    At which point we both started to laugh.

    There's something repetitive and exhausting about both the urge and trying to stop it. And especially since your SO may be lacking skills to deal with this and other issues in his life.

    Sometimes there may be need to take a break from all that, go for a walk, spend some relaxed time.

    ***

    I've been thinking about something. For your SO, one of the biggest practical issues seems to be PM at his workplace.

    Something I've been wondering, not sure how the body of your SO works, but if I had his problem when I was watching a lot of porn the easiest solution for me would be to simply masturbate in the morning before going to work. That would keep my mind off porn for the rest of the day.
     
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