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The battle is in the mind, not in the loins . . .

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Dr. J, Jan 18, 2016.

  1. Buzz Lightyear

    Buzz Lightyear Fapstronaut

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    Yes, I agree. For the sake of brevity, hyperbole often has to be used. I see escaping the ego in terms of it being permeable, not being obliterated permanently. It is part of life, but not everything. The tragedy of the modern world is people have lost the means of transcending themselves from time to time. This is our most deep seated of desires, and if it is not found in an upward movement it will regrettably be found in the downward. As we all know, drugs, alcohol, P etc are all examples of this... not to mention fanaticism, where one identifies with the mass.... not the Catholic one.:rolleyes:

    And yes, self is also kind of central. I guess I would identify the self, in abstract terms, with the Will, and reason like a faculty of it, as opposed to the ideology of the cogito that has dominated since the time of Descartes. That is just a return to Plato's cave. But even in Rationalism, the Will is central - I must first choose to doubt everything. But why. Fear? Fear that I do not know? Fear of being powerless? But knowing there is no knowledge is liberating. You then have room for belief. And then one walks as a god lightly on this earth. A very attractive quality to woman I might add.:rolleyes:
     
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  2. Dr. J

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    I really, really like this. I love the metaphor and language around "upward and downward" . . . if you "go upward" and don't find what you're looking for, then you search downward, which of course is the counterfeit, the easy fix, the substitute for what will actually satisfy your soul, it's true longings, it's purpose, what it's so thirsty for. My old therapist years ago used to ask me what did I want. The first time he did, I told him my immediate answer, and he said "no, I'm interested in what you REALLY want". It was like a Zen koan . . . he meant what do you want than you can only find in the "upward movement". It opened me up to the difference.

    Lately I've really been identifying the "self" with the Divine nature and the conscience. This is a touchy subject for some because the conscience can be programmed by other considerations like the Church (Superego), and people are trying to throw their conscience out. But I find it's most useful for me to run what my conscience is suggesting through filters and ask myself: Am I just being despotized by some left-over feeling of guilt from some church experience or another? Does this thing connect to my deepest values? Does it pass any kind of test of logic and rationality? . . .if it makes it through the filters, and still implies the answer, then I know the direction I'm supposed to go. After than then it certainly is a matter of the will. :)
     
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    And thus the adventure begins. JUST like Parsifal. Stumbling his way, not really even knowing what he's looking for, not knowing what he'll find, but bumbling along screwing everything up because he doesn't know any better because he's naive and untrained . . . . but later in life he becomes focused and alert, and dedicated to find that "one good thing" that's been missing, and he gives his all for it, he sacrifices everything else. I feel like I'm doing nothing but discovering as I go. . . . I don't really have a clue what it will be like to live with a new mind that cares not for pornography. . . . the self that is from that future, that looks back and has pity on this person I am now.


    Art . .. as salvation. I like it. By art I would probably mean books and movies. Have you seen American Beauty? I often think of the last scene with Lester and Angela. . . . he was saved in a moment of time. Redeemed from the same condition I have. Fixation with young beautify girls.
     
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  4. Buzz Lightyear

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    And I'd add that the essence of 'upward' is it's a 'metaphysical' move, it's about your understanding of reality. And then it's not so much that you have some definite blueprint of it [you stand under it, not above it], like a World of Forms or whatever, but a belief that something like it must exist. Even though Plato recognized his World of Forms was a hypothesis, he was quick to add something like it must exist... the great 'as if'. Fast forward and we have the four transcendentals of the medievals - Beauty, Truth, Unity and Goodness. We believe they exist, they are what we strive towards.

    When I get the downward urge, I listen to something like this, and find it very effective:

     
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  5. Buzz Lightyear

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    What is the superego but a set of prejudices. I'd suggest that the prejudices of today are very anti-institutional/ individualistic ones.:)

    What I think classical culture offers us, in practical terms, is the recognition that we are also social, political and religious animals besides thinking and metaphysical ones. It is about integration of the varying aspects of our existence in a life of harmony and balance. Or, in other words, about the wholesome sublimation of our baser instincts.

    Does this mean we outsource our intelligence? Not at all. It is not either/ or; the individual or society/ superego. We have gone further than Rationalism's obsession with binary opposites. It is this and that- synthesis. Given the limited nature of language, we now have to talk in metaphors. Take the image of the ancient's concentric view of the cosmos, circle within circle, or the Jewish Temple, wall within wall. We have here everything, but in order, where at the centre, as far as the metaphor goes, is us.
     
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    I was struggling with this today, but you give some really great advice. Thank you!
     
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